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robert bucchian...

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Pronoun
Posted: Jan 24, 2017 3:09 PM
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Has anybody had any experience publishing with Pronoun?
Lots of attractive features/benefits, but I also have concerns.
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Posted: Jan 25, 2017 4:46 AM   in response to: loraininflorida in response to: loraininflorida
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Thanks! Much Appreciated.
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Posted: Mar 3, 2017 7:00 AM   in response to: robert bucchian... in response to: robert bucchian...
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I have the same question! And for those using Pronoun are you leaving KDP and publishing to Amazon through them? I admit their set up is very easy to use!
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Posted: Nov 6, 2017 1:32 PM   in response to: robert bucchian... in response to: robert bucchian...
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Well how about this....They just announced a SHUTDOWN!!

Epilogue***

Two years ago Pronoun set out to create a one-of-a-kind publishing tool that truly put authors first. We believed that the power of data could be harnessed for smarter book publishing, leveling the playing field for indie authors.**

We are proud of the product we built, but even more so, we’re grateful for the community of authors that made it grow. Your feedback shaped Pronoun’s development, and together we changed the way authors connect with readers.**

Unfortunately, Pronoun’s story ends here.**

While many challenges in indie publishing remain unsolved, Macmillan is unable to continue Pronoun’s operation in its current form. Every option was considered before making the very difficult decision to end the business.**

As of today, it is no longer possible to create a new account or publish a new book. Pronoun will be winding down its distribution, with an anticipated end date of January 15, 2018. Authors will still be able to log into their accounts and manage distributed books until that time.**

For the next two months, our goal is to support your publishing needs through the holiday season and enable you to transition your books to other services. For more detail on how this will affect your books and payments, please refer to our FAQ.**

Thank you for the time and attention you’ve contributed to this experience. It has been a privilege to publish together, and we look forward to meeting again. #keepwriting**

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Re: Pronoun
Posted: Nov 6, 2017 1:44 PM   in response to: c_har2u in response to: c_har2u
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Not surprising. They didn't take a cut of the royalties, like other aggregators/distributors do. You can't build a business on a zero-revenue model.
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Posted: Nov 6, 2017 3:03 PM   in response to: writerbn in response to: writerbn
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Perhaps a logica first step would have been to take a cut. I can’t believe that beautiful platform is going to waste
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Posted: Nov 7, 2017 4:42 AM   in response to: c_har2u in response to: c_har2u
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c_har2u wrote:
Perhaps a logica first step would have been to take a cut. I can’t believe that beautiful platform is going to waste
I was thinking about trying them for my next pen name, but apparently they don't take ePub files. Oh well...I guess it doesn't matter now.
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Re: Pronoun
Posted: Nov 7, 2017 5:07 AM   in response to: writerbn in response to: writerbn
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I've read that Faber Factory is also now also closed, although the website is still up.

Faber Factory provided an eBook service, which included submissions to Amazon. They was very popular with very many medium and small sized publishers.
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Posted: Nov 7, 2017 5:40 AM   in response to: writerbn in response to: writerbn
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Hi Writerbn

There are a couple of huge companies that are not taking any cut from the "clients" and yet are worth tens of billions dollars :)

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Posted: Nov 7, 2017 5:53 AM   in response to: robert d dorazi in response to: robert d dorazi
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robert d dorazi wrote:
There are a couple of huge companies that are not taking any cut from the "clients" and yet are worth tens of billions dollars :)
Sure, but they have other revenue streams. Pronoun had none, except for Macmillan sinking its cash into a black hole.
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Re: Pronoun
Posted: Nov 7, 2017 7:32 PM   in response to: writerbn in response to: writerbn
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You don't know what their revenue model was, because you're assuming they had the same deal with Amazon that indies have. We don't know what kind of deal they had. Even speculating they did have a sweetheart deal that say, paid 75% (number pulled from thin air, no data to support this) to Pronoun, letting them pass on 70% to authors and still make something, how many folks gave up going direct? Probably mostly folks who liked the idea of 70% on a 99 cent title, and only on those titles.

It's possible there was an Amazon/McMillan kerfuffle we haven't heard about.

They'd stated their revenue projections depended on the heavy hitters they hoped to identify and lure to the McMillan side on a "reduced royalty basis", and I'll bet they didn't materialize. Have we heard anyone say, "Farewell indie life, Imma going to tradpub" that had been known to go through Pronoun? Or is it more likely those authors were questioning Pronoun's sanity for even asking?
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Re: Pronoun
Posted: Nov 8, 2017 5:00 AM   in response to: pdsinger1 in response to: pdsinger1
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pdsinger1 wrote:
You don't know what their revenue model was, because you're assuming they had the same deal with Amazon that indies have. We don't know what kind of deal they had.
Yes, that's true. Fair point.

It's possible there was an Amazon/McMillan kerfuffle we haven't heard about.
Also true.

They'd stated their revenue projections depended on the heavy hitters they hoped to identify and lure to the McMillan side on a "reduced royalty basis", and I'll bet they didn't materialize.
From what I've seen, it sounded more like Macmillan was using Pronoun as a data-gathering experiment. When the cost outweighed the value of the data, they decided to shut it down. But again, that's speculation. We may never know the real reason.
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Re: Pronoun
Posted: Nov 8, 2017 10:01 AM   in response to: writerbn in response to: writerbn
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Looks like I was right, at least according to the official reason. From the Publisher's Weekly article:

Asked why Pronoun was being shuttered 18 months after the acquisition, Seroy said despite Macmillan investment in the platform and “terrific” feedback from Pronoun authors, “we came to the conclusion that there wasn't a path forward to a profitable business model and decided to shut down the platform.”
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