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Amanda

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Maddening Margins
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 7:13 AM
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Hello,
I uploaded a word document to the Kindle and in the previewer it starts out with barely any margins at all. Same for Chapters 1 and 2, then chapter three is a wider margin, chapters 4 and 5 go back to almost none, then it reverts again. I haven't gotten through the whole book yet.
I can't find what is changing it (RIP Reveal Codes of Word Perfect, I miss you so much). I've tried messing around with the margins tabs at the top but that doesn't fix it either.
Would appreciate any advice.
Thanks for your help.
Amanda

Edit - It was tied to the page breaks, somehow, I was thinking about how it was the whole chapter and I went back and looked at the page breaks.
Some of the page breaks were dotted lines all the way across the word document, some of them started an inch in. I deleted and re-entered the page
breaks, then I had to recenter the chapter titles. Whew.

I'll leave this up here as a reference unless people think it should be removed. Thanks.

Edited by: Amanda on Nov 14, 2017 9:56 AM

Edit 2 - Thank you all for trying to help.

Totally wonky but I managed to work around it. The margins on the document were set to zero but something was wrong with the page breaks. I figured out you need to end the chapter with:
Period
Space
Paragraph return
Page break
Paragraph return
Chapter #

It is totally mind boggling because anywhere else an extra space at the end of a paragraph will mess up the indent on the next paragraph, within the chapter. I had two chapters that I just couldn't fix, I ended going all the way from the beginning of the last sentence of a good chapter to the end of the first sentence, cutting and pasting that over the chapter that was giving me problems and retyping the correct text. That got rid of whatever was embedded in there messing it up, conahura, knock wood. Tomorrow we "upgrade" to Windows 365. I'm afraid. Very afraid.

Edited by: Amanda on Nov 16, 2017 10:22 AM
Notjohn

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Re: Maddening Margins
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 10:04 AM   in response to: Amanda in response to: Amanda
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As a rule, ebook text should have no margins whatever. There is a small but sufficient white space on either side of the text on every Kindle, Fire, and Kindle app.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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MR R J LAIDLER

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Re: Maddening Margins
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 10:12 AM   in response to: Amanda in response to: Amanda
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This may not give you a full answer but in preparing a book in Word you have to use Styles to control the formatting of everything. For example you can't really manually adjust things like margins on the page. When your book is prepared by Amazon's crunching engines it is turned into a very different type of beast to the one you uploaded. Kindle books, with a few exceptions, are what's called reflowable. The best way to imagine this is to think of all the text you wrote being written as a single line on a very long strip of paper. When someone views the book on their device, the screen of which can vary in size a lot and the size of font is also for the user to select, your file is squirted into their screen and it fills up the screen to the top of the page using certain defaults and the user settings for the font. The page they are looking at will not look much like the page you saw on your PC. The "Kindling" process will prepare the file correctly but it will be thrown if you have injected some "hard formatting" outside of the styles, particularly adding things like tabs to indent a line. If you are seeing different margins on different pages I suspect this is at the root of the problem.
There are guides written on how to prepare a book in Word. I can't recommend any, but have a search on the Forum here and I am sure you will find some specific help.
There is a thing called Kindle Create out now which is supposed to take a Word document and prepare it correctly but from what I've read it isn't quite there yet, so sticking to the time honoured method of using styles to set the formatting is probably the best way forward.
There are other ways to prepare a book but it can certainly be done in Word.
madeleinemitchell

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Re: Maddening Margins
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 12:20 PM   in response to: MR R J LAIDLER in response to: MR R J LAIDLER
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I used the create template for my work. It worked fine.
MARK LONG

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Re: Maddening Margins
Posted: Nov 17, 2017 10:30 AM   in response to: madeleinemitchell in response to: madeleinemitchell
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I have had no problems with uploading a .docx file on both Kindle and paperback editions. They could do a better job of telling you how to fix the errors with margins.
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Posted: Nov 17, 2017 1:46 PM   in response to: madeleinemitchell in response to: madeleinemitchell
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I used the create template for my work. It worked fine.

Kindle Create?

And it was the original KC, not the add-in for Word?

I'd be interested in seeing that, because we hear a lot of complaints about Kindle Create. What's the ASIN or author/title?

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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Amanda

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Posted: Nov 20, 2017 9:31 AM   in response to: Amanda in response to: Amanda
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Word 365 update - Hey the margins are great now. Unfortunately, all the page breaks and indents disappeared. ALL of them. It looks fine in Word, doesn't get picked up by the kindle format thingy. I tried unsetting them and resetting them, for one chapter, and it didn't work. I guess I have to learn styles, right now. Kill me, please.
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Posted: Nov 20, 2017 10:46 AM   in response to: Amanda in response to: Amanda
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Yes, you must learn to use Styles if uploading a Word doc. (Personally, I find it easier to use lower-case styles in html, but not everyone agrees.)

Check the third post on my blog for links to some good websites on using Styles in Word.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook.)

Good luck! -- NJ

Notjohn's Guide to E-Book & Print Formatting

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http://notjohnkdp.blogspot.com
Amanda

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Re: Maddening Margins
Posted: Nov 20, 2017 11:16 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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Thanks, I will look at the blog later, I really appreciate the links.

Separate question - Do you think an Intro to HTML class is enough for somebody who just wants to write novels in it?
Or maybe too much?

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This course is designed to teach you how to code cutting-edge web pages using the new HTML5 tags; We will introduce you to HTML5 web forms, and explain how to use them; We'll discover how to add multimedia content and how to use the Canvas element to draw shapes complete with fills, color strokes, gradients, and more; You'll learn how to combine the powerful styling and animation capabilities of CCS3 to enhance your web pages, and work with the technologies of HTML5 to make building web applications easier than ever.

I have no idea what HTML even is.
Salamander Mall...

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Re: Maddening Margins
Posted: Nov 20, 2017 6:57 PM   in response to: Amanda in response to: Amanda
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Amanda wrote:
Word 365 update - Hey the margins are great now. Unfortunately, all the page breaks and indents disappeared. ALL of them. It looks fine in Word, doesn't get picked up by the kindle format thingy. I tried unsetting them and resetting them, for one chapter, and it didn't work. I guess I have to learn styles, right now. Kill me, please.

If you're not using Styles, there's no point using Word -- you'll always end up with a mess. If you can't learn Styles, which is nothing more than point and click, I don't hold out much hope for HTML. There are no magic wands and everything has a learning curve.
Amanda

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Posted: Nov 20, 2017 11:56 PM   in response to: Salamander Mall... in response to: Salamander Mall...
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Yep, pretty much. I think I'm done. Spent over a year on this. Over 250,000 words. I know I could market it, the read through on my other trilogy is over six percent when I give away the first book for free. Nice tail going right now on a promotion I spent a whopping fifteen bucks on. Going to update my author page now. Wish I could understand how using a template to apply the same commands would make a difference, but I have no faith and I don't have the heart to wade through the endless links for word tutorials to try to find the right ones to even get started. I'm physically sick over this.
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Posted: Nov 21, 2017 2:48 AM   in response to: Amanda in response to: Amanda
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Do you think an Intro to HTML class is enough for somebody who just wants to write novels in it?

You probably don't even need that much.

I have no idea what HTML even is.

There are tutorials online. Or read my Guide.

If you actually spent a year formatting a book, you would have done better to hire Hitch at booknook dot biz to do it for you. (Spending a year writing it is another matter. To the best of my knowledge, I've never wasted my time reading a book that was written in one month, as people here claim to do.)

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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Amanda

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Re: Maddening Margins
Posted: Nov 21, 2017 5:16 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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Ha ha, no, I spent the year writing it. I don't want to spend another year formatting it.
I have been a lurker on these forums for years and your advice has helped me out numerous times, so thank you for that.
The problem with the tutorials and blogs is they are all from different versions and, since I'm not familiar with these parts of the menus at all,
if something has moved or switched places/nomenclature, I will be totally lost. One additional step required that is not in the tutorial
could literally take hours of research to find.
I appreciate that you put all the templates on your blog but I am no where near ready to click and drop them in.
I could pay someone to do it, but it would still be up to me to upload it, double check every page and then relay anything
that was missed back to whoever I contracted. Then upload it and check every single page again. And again.
I'm not one to usually give up, but this seems insurmountable, for these and a number of other reasons which I won't bore you with.
I don't expect anyone to hold my hand and walk me through this, and I just need to not do this right now.
I wish you the best not john, for whatever you believe in over the next month, or not, and for anyone else reading this, if you are having the
same problems, just know that three thousand calories worth of cheese and chocolate did not help. I tried, it didn't, trust me on that.
Peace to all.
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