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Amanda

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Maddening Margins
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 7:13 AM
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Hello,
I uploaded a word document to the Kindle and in the previewer it starts out with barely any margins at all. Same for Chapters 1 and 2, then chapter three is a wider margin, chapters 4 and 5 go back to almost none, then it reverts again. I haven't gotten through the whole book yet.
I can't find what is changing it (RIP Reveal Codes of Word Perfect, I miss you so much). I've tried messing around with the margins tabs at the top but that doesn't fix it either.
Would appreciate any advice.
Thanks for your help.
Amanda

Edit - It was tied to the page breaks, somehow, I was thinking about how it was the whole chapter and I went back and looked at the page breaks.
Some of the page breaks were dotted lines all the way across the word document, some of them started an inch in. I deleted and re-entered the page
breaks, then I had to recenter the chapter titles. Whew.

I'll leave this up here as a reference unless people think it should be removed. Thanks.

Edited by: Amanda on Nov 14, 2017 9:56 AM

Edit 2 - Thank you all for trying to help.

Totally wonky but I managed to work around it. The margins on the document were set to zero but something was wrong with the page breaks. I figured out you need to end the chapter with:
Period
Space
Paragraph return
Page break
Paragraph return
Chapter #

It is totally mind boggling because anywhere else an extra space at the end of a paragraph will mess up the indent on the next paragraph, within the chapter. I had two chapters that I just couldn't fix, I ended going all the way from the beginning of the last sentence of a good chapter to the end of the first sentence, cutting and pasting that over the chapter that was giving me problems and retyping the correct text. That got rid of whatever was embedded in there messing it up, conahura, knock wood. Tomorrow we "upgrade" to Windows 365. I'm afraid. Very afraid.

Edited by: Amanda on Nov 16, 2017 10:22 AM
Notjohn

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Re: Maddening Margins
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 10:04 AM   in response to: Amanda in response to: Amanda
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As a rule, ebook text should have no margins whatever. There is a small but sufficient white space on either side of the text on every Kindle, Fire, and Kindle app.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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MR R J LAIDLER

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Re: Maddening Margins
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 10:12 AM   in response to: Amanda in response to: Amanda
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This may not give you a full answer but in preparing a book in Word you have to use Styles to control the formatting of everything. For example you can't really manually adjust things like margins on the page. When your book is prepared by Amazon's crunching engines it is turned into a very different type of beast to the one you uploaded. Kindle books, with a few exceptions, are what's called reflowable. The best way to imagine this is to think of all the text you wrote being written as a single line on a very long strip of paper. When someone views the book on their device, the screen of which can vary in size a lot and the size of font is also for the user to select, your file is squirted into their screen and it fills up the screen to the top of the page using certain defaults and the user settings for the font. The page they are looking at will not look much like the page you saw on your PC. The "Kindling" process will prepare the file correctly but it will be thrown if you have injected some "hard formatting" outside of the styles, particularly adding things like tabs to indent a line. If you are seeing different margins on different pages I suspect this is at the root of the problem.
There are guides written on how to prepare a book in Word. I can't recommend any, but have a search on the Forum here and I am sure you will find some specific help.
There is a thing called Kindle Create out now which is supposed to take a Word document and prepare it correctly but from what I've read it isn't quite there yet, so sticking to the time honoured method of using styles to set the formatting is probably the best way forward.
There are other ways to prepare a book but it can certainly be done in Word.
madeleinemitchell

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Re: Maddening Margins
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 12:20 PM   in response to: MR R J LAIDLER in response to: MR R J LAIDLER
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I used the create template for my work. It worked fine.
MARK LONG

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Re: Maddening Margins
Posted: Nov 17, 2017 10:30 AM   in response to: madeleinemitchell in response to: madeleinemitchell
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I have had no problems with uploading a .docx file on both Kindle and paperback editions. They could do a better job of telling you how to fix the errors with margins.
Notjohn

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Re: Maddening Margins
Posted: Nov 17, 2017 1:46 PM   in response to: madeleinemitchell in response to: madeleinemitchell
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I used the create template for my work. It worked fine.

Kindle Create?

And it was the original KC, not the add-in for Word?

I'd be interested in seeing that, because we hear a lot of complaints about Kindle Create. What's the ASIN or author/title?

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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