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Sean Tolan

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Total noob question about formatting
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 9:07 AM
 
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Hello everyone,

This is my very first attempt at putting one of my books to market.

I use MS word to write and discovered Kindle Create. So, I painstakingly arranged my book to my liking in KC and all appears well in preview for tablet view, if I change the view to phone or Kindle Reader, the text gets tossed about and appears to lose some of the formatting.

Is this something that I need to worry about prior to uploading my book to Amazon or is it normal with the KC software to produce these results on the desktop?

Many thanks for any help!
booknookbiz

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Re: Total noob question about formatting
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 12:15 PM   in response to: Sean Tolan in response to: Sean Tolan
 
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Sean Tolan wrote:
Hello everyone,

This is my very first attempt at putting one of my books to market.

I use MS word to write and discovered Kindle Create. So, I painstakingly arranged my book to my liking in KC and all appears well in preview for tablet view, if I change the view to phone or Kindle Reader, the text gets tossed about and appears to lose some of the formatting.

Is this something that I need to worry about prior to uploading my book to Amazon or is it normal with the KC software to produce these results on the desktop?

Many thanks for any help!


No, that's not right.

When you looked at the Tablet preview, did you change the font sizes, to see if the text flowed smoothly? If you mean, when you say "tossed around" that there are unusual line-breaks, etc., then check the book in Tablet view at a large variety of font sizes. If you mean that the text MOVES--that text that's on the 2nd line in Tablet is on the 3rd or even 4th, in eReader--that's normal.

You should also not "lose formatting," if by formatting you mean bold and italic, or alignment (left-aligned, centered, right-aligned, justfiied). If you mean FONTS, then that's not something over which you have control, using KC.

Hope that helps.

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madeleinemitchell

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Re: Total noob question about formatting
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 12:30 PM   in response to: Sean Tolan in response to: Sean Tolan
 
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If you're writing and formatting in Word, you need to turn on the formatting icon, it looks like a little reversed P. This will show you exactly what you've done, or missed so that you can rectify it. One out of place para return, or space, can knock the formatting out and create gaps in your work that you don't see until it's in the Kindle. You have to go over that with a fine tooth comb if nothing else works.
Sean Tolan

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Re: Total noob question about formatting
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 3:23 PM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
 
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booknookbiz wrote:

No, that's not right.

When you looked at the Tablet preview, did you change the font sizes, to see if the text flowed smoothly? If you mean, when you say "tossed around" that there are unusual line-breaks, etc., then check the book in Tablet view at a large variety of font sizes. If you mean that the text MOVES--that text that's on the 2nd line in Tablet is on the 3rd or even 4th, in eReader--that's normal.

You should also not "lose formatting," if by formatting you mean bold and italic, or alignment (left-aligned, centered, right-aligned, justfiied). If you mean FONTS, then that's not something over which you have control, using KC.

Hope that helps.

Hitch
We produce ebooks
An Amazon Professional Conversion Service: http://amzn.to/29pWZSg
www.booknook.biz/


Thank you for the reply.

It didn't occur to me to change the font size but when I just did, text from one page drops down to the next page and the way I have some text left-aligned changes as well, no longer to the left but not quite centered either.

What I meant by "formatting" is that some words will lose their place on the page creating gaps between the words before and/or after the affected word or large spaces appear before the next line of text.

I do appreciate your help, thanks.
Sean Tolan

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Re: Total noob question about formatting
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 3:26 PM   in response to: madeleinemitchell in response to: madeleinemitchell
 
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madeleinemitchell wrote:
If you're writing and formatting in Word, you need to turn on the formatting icon, it looks like a little reversed P. This will show you exactly what you've done, or missed so that you can rectify it. One out of place para return, or space, can knock the formatting out and create gaps in your work that you don't see until it's in the Kindle. You have to go over that with a fine tooth comb if nothing else works.


Thanks for the info.

I am writing in Word and was unaware of the formatting icon setting. I will look into that and see what happens.

Thank you.

William Thompson

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Re: Total noob question about formatting
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 4:24 PM   in response to: Sean Tolan in response to: Sean Tolan
 
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How did you format your horizontal and vertical spacing in Word?

If you used the enter key to create vertical spaces or used the spacebar to create horizontal spacing in your doc then that's not the way to do it in Word if you are creating an ebook in KC. What you should be doing in Word is creating all formatting for your headings, body text and spacing using named paragraph styles in Word i.e. you should be creating all your spacing using Word styles. There are also plenty of videos on Youtube that will show you how to create and use paragraph styles in Word.

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Re: Total noob question about formatting
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 4:33 PM   in response to: Sean Tolan in response to: Sean Tolan
 
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{quote:title=Sean Tolan wrote:}

Thank you for the reply.

It didn't occur to me to change the font size but when I just did, text from one page drops down to the next page and the way I have some text left-aligned changes as well, no longer to the left but not quite centered either.

What I meant by "formatting" is that some words will lose their place on the page creating gaps between the words before and/or after the affected word or large spaces appear before the next line of text.

I do appreciate your help, thanks.


Sean:

It sounds to me that you've formatted your pages like you'd (wrongly, no offense) format a page for print; you may have used the "enter" key (which shows up as the pilcrow--the backwards p) to create line-ends and to create vertical spacing. Unfortunately, that's the exactly wrong way to do that. If you do that, then you'll have the types of breaks and weirdnesses that you're describing.

The GAPS that you may see, between words, however, on the same line--that's most likely what's called rivers, aka rivers of white. Rivers are blocks of white space, running left-right, that are inserted between words in order to create justification in an environment that does NOT have hyphenation. See this quick article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_(typography) . If you're in an environment with hyphenation, typically, rivers are eliminated or significantly reduced.

Yes, text will "drop to the next page," because that's what eBooks DO. Text reflows, in eBooks. Otherwise, how could fonts be enlarged, or reduced? When a font is enlarged, there are fewer characters per line, and fewer lines per screen. The text flows, from one line to the next, in a big, long sinuous way, from the front of the book to the back, as the font sizes change. Make the font size smaller? More words per line, more lines per page.

Gaps BETWEEN paragraphs, however--if you're seeing blank lines where they oughtn't be, or you're seeing lines break where they shouldn't--those are broken paragraphs and not using Word's built-in STYLES to style your ENTIRE manuscript.

You cannot force a fixed-layout, like a PDF, for an eBook. (You can, but those are "last ditch" options, not the first option).

Have you ever used an eReader, Sean? A Kindle, Nook, iBooks reader?

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Sean Tolan

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Re: Total noob question about formatting
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 7:38 PM   in response to: Sean Tolan in response to: Sean Tolan
 
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Thank you everyone for the replies.

I have to work early tomorrow so I need to call it a night but will reply in more detail as soon as I can.

I did have a Nook but that was probably 5 or more years ago and I really don't remember the particulars of its functionality.

This "book" that I've written was never intended to be released for public reading. It was more or less created for a few select
friends that I was with in the military. The intention was just printing it and handing it out.
However, after it was read, I was encouraged to make it public, so, here I am and this is why I am admittedly so ignorant to the ways of eBook design.

Again, thanks all.
Salamander Mall...

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Re: Total noob question about formatting
Posted: Nov 15, 2017 8:06 AM   in response to: K R COTTON in response to: K R COTTON
 
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K R COTTON wrote:
wrong amazon screws up your copy righted works, take your complaints if you have problems with Amazon kindle take it to the complaints department Attorney General U S A https://www.justice.gov/ag...... https://www.ftc.gov/about-ftc/bureaus-offices/bureau-consumer-protection https://www.usa.gov/consumer-complaints here's the information's for you file a complaint

Just because you're clueless about formatting, doesn't mean everyone is. Perhaps you should use the time you spend spamming the forum to learn the basics of e-book formatting. It's not at all difficult. Learning to do something right is more profitable than ranting and raving about your ignorance, and acting like a kook.
Sean Tolan

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Re: Total noob question about formatting
Posted: Nov 15, 2017 6:13 PM   in response to: Sean Tolan in response to: Sean Tolan
 
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Holy cow K R Cotton.

I've not been harmed or wronged so even though your intentions may be good, I'll work on my problem and get it sorted out.
Sean Tolan

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Re: Total noob question about formatting
Posted: Nov 19, 2017 5:01 PM   in response to: Sean Tolan in response to: Sean Tolan
 
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Just wanted to thank everyone for their input and help. I've got it worked out.

It was a combination of font size and the fact that I did use the enter key a little too much.

Thanks again all!
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