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Melissa

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Make my brook free permanently
Posted: Nov 25, 2017 5:46 PM
 
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I want to make the first book of each of my series free on Amazon permanently. It is free on all the other sites and I have had lots of people report it as free to amazon so that they will change the price as suggested on google. That’s three months ago and still my books aren’t free.

Am I supposed to write to someone at Amazon to request my books be made free or simply unpublish them from Amazon and have them available elsewhere?
cdalebrittain

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Re: Make my brook free permanently
Posted: Nov 25, 2017 8:51 PM   in response to: Melissa in response to: Melissa
 
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If you have a well-established series, it can make sense to have the first book permafree, to lure people into paying for the rest of the series.

It sounds as though you followed the only way to make this happen, make the book free elsewhere and see if Amazon will price-match. If others are reporting "I found this book for less elsewhere" and Amazon is not price-matching (which was always at their discretion), then I fear it won't happen. If you write Amazon yourself to ask that your book be made free here, they are most likely to tell you rather frostily to raise the price elsewhere.

Whatever you do, do not remove it from Amazon. That will kill the rest of your series. People will see the rest of the series, notice the first book is missing, and rather than look for the first book on another platform just read someone else's books.

How much is your book priced at now? If not 99c, try lowering the price to that. That can work almost as well as a loss-leader.

NOTE: For others reading this thread. This is advice only for someone with a well established, multi-volume series. Authors with only 1 or 2 books should never consider permafree.
Mrs Julia Evans

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Re: Make my brook free permanently
Posted: Nov 26, 2017 12:01 AM   in response to: cdalebrittain in response to: cdalebrittain
 
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cdalebrittain wrote:>
How much is your book priced at now? If not 99c, try lowering the price to that. That can work almost as well as a loss-leader.
NOTE: For others reading this thread. This is advice only for someone with a well established, multi-volume series. Authors with only 1 or 2 books should never consider permafree.

Hi Dale,

Actually, changing the price to the 35% royalty won't work if the long term goal is going to be permafree.

If Amazon price match something at the lower rate, they're still obliged to pay the author the royalty they would have earned if the book had been sold at the proper price. (Which of course, they're not going to do!) However, if the author elects for the 70% rate, they don't have to pay them at all. (It's all buried in the TOC somewhere.)

The OP is going to have to decide whether to go for free, (in which case leave it at the minimum 70% rate) or try 99c. You can't do both at the same time.

That's if the OP can get agreement to the permafree at all. It's at the Zon's discretion after all.

J
cdalebrittain

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Posted: Nov 26, 2017 7:34 AM   in response to: Mrs Julia Evans in response to: Mrs Julia Evans
 
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Julia, I was suggesting 99c as an alternative to permafree, not as a route to get there. If it's been 3 months, my guess is that Amazon is refusing to price-match Melissa's book to zero.

If they price-match down to 99c, when your book should really be priced in the 70% range, they still only pay you 35c royalties for each sale. (I know, this happened to me when I'd had a 99c promotion and changed the price back, but iTunes hadn't changed back yet so Amazon didn't either.)
Southeasterly M...

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Re: Make my brook free permanently
Posted: Nov 26, 2017 7:39 AM   in response to: cdalebrittain in response to: cdalebrittain
 
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Is is not ok to just publish an updated edition with a lower pricetag?
Donna St Felix

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Posted: Nov 26, 2017 7:48 AM   in response to: Southeasterly M... in response to: Southeasterly M...
 
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Southeasterly Macon wrote:
Is is not ok to just publish an updated edition with a lower pricetag?

You can upload a newer version OVER the original and then change the price.
Mrs Julia Evans

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Re: Make my brook free permanently
Posted: Nov 26, 2017 9:27 AM   in response to: cdalebrittain in response to: cdalebrittain
 
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cdalebrittain wrote:
Julia, I was suggesting 99c as an alternative to permafree, not as a route to get there. If it's been 3 months, my guess is that Amazon is refusing to price-match Melissa's book to zero.

Sorry Dale,

It was very early this morning when I was reading this, and I thought you were offering this suggestion as a temporary measure to the OP.

It's actually a bizarre rule that you have to be at the higher rate before they'll permafree your book (if they even do). It means that all the time you're sitting there waiting for them to agree, you're blocking potential sales by pricing too high.

And why should Amazon pay you anything anyway, if they're price-matching a book you're giving away elsewhere? It doesn't make sense to me one little bit.

Another of life's little puzzles!

Best wishes, J.
Mrs Julia Evans

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Re: Make my brook free permanently
Posted: Nov 26, 2017 9:30 AM   in response to: Donna St Felix in response to: Donna St Felix
 
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Donna St Felix wrote:
Southeasterly Macon wrote:
Is is not ok to just publish an updated edition with a lower pricetag?

You can upload a newer version OVER the original and then change the price.


Save your breath, Donna - yet another red*dit spammer!
cdalebrittain

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Posted: Nov 26, 2017 10:25 AM   in response to: Mrs Julia Evans in response to: Mrs Julia Evans
 
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Mrs Julia Evans wrote:

It's actually a bizarre rule that you have to be at the higher rate before they'll permafree your book (if they even do). It means that all the time you're sitting there waiting for them to agree, you're blocking potential sales by pricing too high.

And why should Amazon pay you anything anyway, if they're price-matching a book you're giving away elsewhere? It doesn't make sense to me one little bit.

Another of life's little puzzles!


Sorry, Julia, but I think you may have misread the rule. I wouldn't have bothered about this except I'm afraid it will confuse the newbies.

You don't have to be at a 70%-royalty-range price to be price-matched. Someone who prices at $1.50 here and 99c elsewhere will find themselves price-matched down to 99c. People who price at 99c on KDP and for free elsewhere used to get price-matched down to zero (before Amazon got all grumpy about permafree). And if Amazon price-matches you down to zero, they pay you zero. (This has always been the case.)

The only time they continue to pay you your regular royalties, even if the price is dropped, is if they themselves lower your price, which they will sometimes do to promote a real bestseller (which I'm afraid isn't us!).
Mrs Julia Evans

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Re: Make my brook free permanently
Posted: Nov 26, 2017 11:45 AM   in response to: cdalebrittain in response to: cdalebrittain
 
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Hi Dale,

I'm glad you explained this, because I queried it with the zon (by email/contact us) maybe 18-20 months ago, and my interpretation was based on their explanation, which was basically an expanded version of the TOC.

I know I have my fuzzy moments, but I'm convinced I didn't misread their explanation. In hindsight, I just don't think they explained it very clearly, because I never picked up on the 'price-matching to free' part, and that was part of what I was asking about.

If I can find the dratted email, I'll read it again, to see if I was going off on a tangent, or just having a 'senior' moment! :(

Thanks again. J
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