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jan glaz

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Websites selling your books without permission
Posted: Dec 5, 2017 6:45 PM
 
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Has anyone had the same experience?

When I googled some of my book titles or just my author name, I was shocked to learn that third party websites have them for sale without my knowledge or permission. How did they obtain the books? I talked with Amazon and they said they cannot do anything about third parties obtaining "MY" books which are self-published exclusively to Amazon.

The websites are selling them for 4 to 5 times the price I sell them for on Amazon. I have not received one penny. As an example: I tried to contact Ebay which I never subscribed to and also noticed Goodreads list my titles and they refuse to stop selling them. I can't afford a lawyer and that would be the only way to stop the stealing of my work.

Edited by: jan glaz on Dec 5, 2017 6:46 PM
Donna St Felix

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Re: Websites selling your books without permission
Posted: Dec 5, 2017 6:57 PM   in response to: jan glaz in response to: jan glaz
 
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jan glaz wrote:
Has anyone had the same experience?

When I googled some of my book titles or just my author name, I was shocked to learn that third party websites have them for sale without my knowledge or permission. How did they obtain the books? I talked with Amazon and they said they cannot do anything about third parties obtaining "MY" books which are self-published exclusively to Amazon.

The websites are selling them for 4 to 5 times the price I sell them for on Amazon. I have not received one penny. As an example: I tried to contact Ebay which I never subscribed to and also noticed Goodreads list my titles and they refuse to stop selling them. I can't afford a lawyer and that would be the only way to stop the stealing of my work.


First of all, many of the sites, if not all, do not have your book. They are the bad guys who collect credit card numbers &/or download the bad computer 'stuff'.

Secondly, bookstores can list your book without having it. Should they get an order, they order it from Amazon and it is shipped to the buyer. You make a royalty thru Amazon.

Third, anyone who may have bought your book can resell it where ever they want at whatever price they want, just as you can do with books you may have on your bookshelf.

Keep in mind that you may sell your books on Amazon but where they end up is none of your concern.

Read up on Goodreads! You goofed.
Salamander Mall...

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Re: Websites selling your books without permission
Posted: Dec 5, 2017 7:09 PM   in response to: jan glaz in response to: jan glaz
 
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You're the thirteenth person to bring this earthshatering "news" to us about paperback books this month, and the month's just started. Do you really think anyone needs your permission to run a business? Booksellers can list any book they want. And they can sell it wherever they want -- Amazon, their own websites, or even EBay. And they can charge whatever they want. Your permission, authorization or approval is not required. If a bookseller sells a book, he will order it from CreateSpace or KDP-Print and have it shipped to the customer; when processed, you will receive whatever royalty is stipulated in the contract you signed (and hopefully read). That's how it works. If you don't want your books to be sold to customers, you always have the option to unpublish or delete.
cdalebrittain

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Re: Websites selling your books without permission
Posted: Dec 5, 2017 8:24 PM   in response to: jan glaz in response to: jan glaz
 
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jan glaz wrote:

The websites are selling them for 4 to 5 times the price I sell them for on Amazon. I have not received one penny. As an example: I tried to contact Ebay which I never subscribed to and also noticed Goodreads list my titles and they refuse to stop selling them. I can't afford a lawyer and that would be the only way to stop the stealing of my work.

In addition to what Donna and Sal said, note that Goodreads is not "selling" your books. It's a site where readers talk about books they would like to buy from Amazon or have bought and read. They post reviews. Goodreads is owned by Amazon.

If a bookseller doesn't have your book (and most third-party sellers don't), they will list it anyway but put a ridiculously high price on it to make sure no one orders it from them rather than directly from Amazon. If they ever got in a used copy (one that had been bought from Amazon, so you got your royalty already), they would drop the price to below the new-book price. It's easier for the booksellers to raise and lower the price than to list and de-list books. Besides, they like to say they have everything in stock.

Think about the ridiculously high prices this way. Someone might think, "Wow, that book must be really good to be worth $200!" (one of mine was once listed at that price). "But look! It's only $12 on Amazon! Better buy it quick." It's free advertising.

I wish you'd perused the forums before panicking. You would have saved yourself a lot of worry.

Moral of the story: don't google yourself.
jan glaz

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Re: Websites selling your books without permission
Posted: Dec 5, 2017 9:13 PM   in response to: jan glaz in response to: jan glaz
 
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Amazon was not happy about books being bought from them and sold as "new" on Ebay and thanked me for bringing it to their attention. I have Amazon's emails in regard to this saved in a folder. If the books are bought from Amazon and resold they should be listed as used, as they are 2nd hand after purchase. I never stated Goodreads sold them just that they were on their site. I'm not alone as your books dear authors are being treated to the same system and sold everywhere in cyberland.
Salamander Mall...

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Posted: Dec 5, 2017 11:34 PM   in response to: jan glaz in response to: jan glaz
 
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jan glaz wrote:
Amazon was not happy about books being bought from them and sold as "new" on Ebay and thanked me for bringing it to their attention. I have Amazon's emails in regard to this saved in a folder. If the books are bought from Amazon and resold they should be listed as used, as they are 2nd hand after purchase. I never stated Goodreads sold them just that they were on their site. I'm not alone as your books dear authors are being treated to the same system and sold everywhere in cyberland.

Now you're just blatantly fantasizing.
Cynthia E. Hurst

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Re: Websites selling your books without permission
Posted: Dec 5, 2017 11:56 PM   in response to: jan glaz in response to: jan glaz
 
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jan glaz wrote:

The websites are selling them for 4 to 5 times the price I sell them for on Amazon. I have not received one penny. As an example: I tried to contact Ebay which I never subscribed to and also noticed Goodreads list my titles and they refuse to stop selling them. I can't afford a lawyer and that would be the only way to stop the stealing of my work.

Edited by: jan glaz on Dec 5, 2017 6:46 PM


Those websites aren't 'selling' anything. Most of them are only trying to get gullible people's credit card details. If by some chance, someone orders your book at the inflated price from a genuine re-seller, the site would have to order it from Amazon and you would still get your royalty from the purchase.
As for GoodReads, they only list books, and as noted, they are part of Amazon. They don't sell books.
Emily Veinglory

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Re: Websites selling your books without permission
Posted: Dec 6, 2017 8:01 AM   in response to: jan glaz in response to: jan glaz
 
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It does not matter a damn whether Amazon is happy or not, it is a legal activity.
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Posted: Dec 6, 2017 8:01 AM   in response to: Cynthia E. Hurst in response to: Cynthia E. Hurst
 
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OP is talking about paperback resellers, not ebook scrapers.
jan glaz

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Posted: Dec 6, 2017 8:59 PM   in response to: Emily Veinglory in response to: Emily Veinglory
 
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Not legal to take and resell a book as new that has been previously purchased. In addition, books are selling on Ebay that have not been purchased from amazon in the first place HOW DID THEY GET MY ENTIRE MANUSCRIPT? The titles I have found on other sites were not purchased from Amazon because they have never been shown on my books purchased reports as sold.which means I have not received my "whopping" dollar profit from the paperback.
jan glaz

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Posted: Dec 6, 2017 9:08 PM   in response to: Emily Veinglory in response to: Emily Veinglory
 
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I did notice that it is the paperback and not the Ebook version, yet Amazon loses money from the robbing activity paperback or not. The paperbacks were never purchased in the 1st place from Amazon since the sale of any title always shows in my reports. How do the 3rd parties steal my entire manuscript without buying them originally from Amazon? Amazon is the only place I have my books for sale they ALONE have access to the entire manuscript. SOLVE THIS MYSTERY PLEASE!
C. Gold

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Re: Websites selling your books without permission
Posted: Dec 6, 2017 9:46 PM   in response to: jan glaz in response to: jan glaz
 
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Choices:

A. They pirated it
B. They are faking it to lure people into clicking so they can install nasty trojans or other scammy things
C. They don't have it yet, but they will buy it from Amazon and mail it if anyone makes a purchase
D. If you gave out any ARC copies or gave away any paper copies, they can wind up pirated or on ebay
Ralph E Vaughan

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Re: Websites selling your books without permission
Posted: Dec 6, 2017 10:20 PM   in response to: jan glaz in response to: jan glaz
 
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jan glaz wrote:
I did notice that it is the paperback and not the Ebook version, yet Amazon loses money from the robbing activity paperback or not. The paperbacks were never purchased in the 1st place from Amazon since the sale of any title always shows in my reports. How do the 3rd parties steal my entire manuscript without buying them originally from Amazon? Amazon is the only place I have my books for sale they ALONE have access to the entire manuscript. SOLVE THIS MYSTERY PLEASE!

You really need to read and understand the replies to your question, especially those posted by the Salamander and Dale. Nobody is stealing anything and there is no mystery. Booksellers list books for sale and hope customers will purchase them. If a purchase is made, the bookseller will place an order with either CreateSpace or Amazon and have it shipped directly to the customer. Once the sale is processed by CreateSpace or KDP-Print, the appropriate royalty will be credited, as stipulated in your contract.

Do they have actual copies of the books they are selling? No, of course not. Why would they? After all, the books are printed one copy at a time, on demand, and shipped anywhere the purchaser directs. Such is the nature of bookselling in the Twenty-First Century. Only a fool would ever order a copy of a POD book before a sale was made. I hope this clears up the "mystery" for you. If not, I can't think of any simpler way of putting it. But I have to wonder, along with others, if you did not want booksellers selling your book, why did you publish it?
Salamander Mall...

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Posted: Dec 7, 2017 8:17 AM   in response to: Ralph E Vaughan in response to: Ralph E Vaughan
 
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Ralph E Vaughan wrote:
jan glaz wrote:
I did notice that it is the paperback and not the Ebook version, yet Amazon loses money from the robbing activity paperback or not. The paperbacks were never purchased in the 1st place from Amazon since the sale of any title always shows in my reports. How do the 3rd parties steal my entire manuscript without buying them originally from Amazon? Amazon is the only place I have my books for sale they ALONE have access to the entire manuscript. SOLVE THIS MYSTERY PLEASE!

You really need to read and understand the replies to your question, especially those posted by the Salamander and Dale. Nobody is stealing anything and there is no mystery. Booksellers list books for sale and hope customers will purchase them. If a purchase is made, the bookseller will place an order with either CreateSpace or Amazon and have it shipped directly to the customer. Once the sale is processed by CreateSpace or KDP-Print, the appropriate royalty will be credited, as stipulated in your contract.

Do they have actual copies of the books they are selling? No, of course not. Why would they? After all, the books are printed one copy at a time, on demand, and shipped anywhere the purchaser directs. Such is the nature of bookselling in the Twenty-First Century. Only a fool would ever order a copy of a POD book before a sale was made. I hope this clears up the "mystery" for you. If not, I can't think of any simpler way of putting it. But I have to wonder, along with others, if you did not want booksellers selling your book, why did you publish it?


You're wasting your breath and good will, Mr V. Seems nothing can stop newbies from embarrassing themselves in public. There are two groups, one screaming that they are being ravished by pirates, the other harping that booksellers are selling books. Neither facts nor logic will ever illuminate the darkness for them.
Emily Veinglory

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Re: Websites selling your books without permission
Posted: Dec 7, 2017 12:11 PM   in response to: jan glaz in response to: jan glaz
 
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Yes it is legal. If they get an order they buy and ship a copy, that copy is new and unread. This is a routine, fully legal practice.
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