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chowminsky

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SALES ARE DYINGGGGGGGGG
Posted: Jun 25, 2012 8:20 AM
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this summer is killing my book sales....huge decline in sales...anyone else?
pmpress

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Posted: Jun 25, 2012 12:34 PM   in response to: chowminsky in response to: chowminsky
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For me, June is historically slow.
It was slow for me in 2010 and 2011.
However, I am one publisher, and your mileage may vary.
hardwarehero

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Posted: Jun 25, 2012 3:00 PM   in response to: chowminsky in response to: chowminsky
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I spend some time here every day and this phenomenon is going on since March order so. And it is not a problem of June, it is a problem of more than 100 freebies every day. Why should you buy a novel even for 99 cent (unless it is Harry Potter oder so;-) Name me a reason and I'll buy you a beer ggg
whydoineedanick

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Posted: Jun 25, 2012 3:08 PM   in response to: hardwarehero in response to: hardwarehero
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I'm a guilty party. I have so many free Kindle books in my queue that it may seriously be YEARS before I actually buy a Kindle title again. I've got all the classics lined up, then I've got my favorite thriller writers like Battles who give away free books all the time. Plus I've got Amazon Prime -- that's another free book a month.

None of this bodes well for the indie author, including me. But that's life.
hardwarehero

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Posted: Jun 26, 2012 6:44 AM   in response to: whydoineedanick in response to: whydoineedanick
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I think you're the first one who admits this openly here, chapeau;-) Let's drive one more nail into Amazon's coffin by letting drop this website http://ireaderreview.com (OUCH). I have their RSS feed in my Firefox and can see with one click a day what's for free. Even if I would download only half of what they pile up every day (and they don't even note everything), I would never be able to digest this stuff. But as a reader, I agree, this is paradise! I hope the net margin on the Kindle hardware is good enough to keep Amazon in the ebook battle;-)
ricardo7777

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Re: SALES ARE DYINGGGGGGGGG
Posted: Jun 26, 2012 10:22 AM   in response to: chowminsky in response to: chowminsky
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I actually have a co-worker reading a copy of one of my books bought from Amazon in Kindle format in early June, yet my sales figures show zilch! So...I emailed a complaint. They say I haven't sold ANY copies this month! So...I PERSONALLY buy a copy of one of 11 novels I've Kindled, sent it as a gift to a friend. Got an email verifying sale and note deduction from my credit card for the sale. I STILL HAVE NO SALES IN REPORTS UNDER KINDLE!

Now I'm getting leery...and have printed a copy of the Officers and Directors of Amazon in an attempt to search out their email addresses. Something FISHY is going on!!
tornfrom

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Posted: Jun 26, 2012 4:57 PM   in response to: ricardo7777 in response to: ricardo7777
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Now that is strange....I am wondering what is going on as well.
sherlane

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Posted: Jun 26, 2012 9:27 PM   in response to: chowminsky in response to: chowminsky
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I finally gave in and gathered some old, I mean old, children's short stories and put them on as a collection to see if I get any kind of uplift. I know children's fiction is iffy, but I'm trying everything I can think of. Yes, since March there's been [u]no[/u] marching. So frustrating, However, I put three on CreateSpace last month and have sold 8 this month. I'll take whatever I can get at this point.
writeranne

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Re: SALES ARE DYINGGGGGGGGG
Posted: Jun 27, 2012 5:16 PM   in response to: chowminsky in response to: chowminsky
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Until all kindle authors realize that the free promo is killing all of us, we will keep seeing sales dwindle down to nothing. With tens of thousands of free books available at every minute of every day, what incentive does any one have to BUY a book!

Authors, STOP giving away your work. The authors that were with kindle before the free program sold thousands of books without having any listed for free. These freebies do nothing for you. You may see a few sales right after your promo ends, but in a couple of weeks you will be slipping back down as the readers move on to all the other free books coming out daily.
carolmarlene

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Posted: Jun 27, 2012 5:42 PM   in response to: writeranne in response to: writeranne
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Well said.
hardwarehero

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Posted: Jun 27, 2012 11:31 PM   in response to: writeranne in response to: writeranne
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CLAP CLAP CLAP ... You are so right yet your plea will lead to nothing, I am afraid. There are hundred + new self-publishers, 'authors', coming up every month and their only chance to get their name out is to give away their stuff for free in the beginning. That's like with the ancient hydra. You convert one, seven new come creeping through the tunnel. The only winning party is Amazon, hoping that they have one or two gems for a three month exlusive period. The only chance to change this would be either Amazon seeing its revenue down considerably and/or the book industry applying pressure to them to stop that nonsense.
penwa1980

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Re: SALES ARE DYINGGGGGGGGG
Posted: Jun 28, 2012 12:23 PM   in response to: hardwarehero in response to: hardwarehero
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I would have thought the option to give a discount would be more successful than a free promo, for amazon and authors. More authors with successful books will stick around rather than exploring other avenues.

I don't think Amazon are stupid enough to solely rely on kindle sales, once you own a kindle why would you buy a new one if yours works fine? There will come a point where sales will be down and the only way they will continue to profit is through book sales. It's hardly like the kindle is a product that you must update to the latest version, such as an Iproduct.

But then again that's just my opinion.
mawmawmadred

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Re: SALES ARE DYINGGGGGGGGG
Posted: Jun 28, 2012 12:38 PM   in response to: penwa1980 in response to: penwa1980
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It seems like Amazon is cracking down on the Indies and is going to become tougher with them.
carolmarlene

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Posted: Jun 28, 2012 12:58 PM   in response to: mawmawmadred in response to: mawmawmadred
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What do you mean by that? Cracking down how?
imexco1

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Posted: Jun 29, 2012 8:03 AM   in response to: chowminsky in response to: chowminsky
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If you are saying that sales are dying...one may assume that they are or were sometime alive...

My first book sold 3 copies in 2.5 years...

The Internet is full of copies of my book, some officially linked to Amazon and some not.
I have sent a threatenning mail...and a few removed it from their web site...

I know for fact that more than 3 books were sold.

My second book sold nothing...
It will be my last book here...

I was not expecting to be rich, but sales of a few hundred worldwide would be nice...

I can not explain it...but I feel that something is wrong...
bobthebookbuilder

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Posted: Jun 29, 2012 11:18 AM   in response to: imexco1 in response to: imexco1
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I have only had my books on Amazon since the middle of April of this year. That first two weeks I sold 36 books, which I thought was pretty good. Then May came along and the number jumped up 111. Of course, if 36 was good then 111 must be ...well, really good, right?

So now I'm reading all these sad posts about how sales are dyinggggggggggggg, and how Amazon holds back sales at the end of the month so that they can make a ton of money at the generous interest rates banks are paying nowadays.

Just to keep the record straight, as far as I'm concerned, yesterday I had the third best day this month with 56 sales, right behind a 60 day on the 3rd and 70 on the 8th. My total sales this month, through the 28th, is 1,050 books. So you see, I'm, at least for now, unwilling to buy into the Amazon conspiracy theory.
inyun

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Posted: Jun 29, 2012 8:39 PM   in response to: chowminsky in response to: chowminsky
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I have doubled my sales of May. June has been great. All five of my SciFi series have been in top 100 of their genre for weeks.

Thom

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phildukephd

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Posted: Jun 29, 2012 8:43 PM   in response to: writeranne in response to: writeranne
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Excellent post. We can only hope that Amazon.com will get rid of the Select program. I believe it is hurting them, as well as Indies.
inyun

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Posted: Jun 29, 2012 8:56 PM   in response to: chowminsky in response to: chowminsky
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You could try this. I had them made at SignChef.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/topsyturvydesign/sets/72157629754518103/

Thom

whydoineedanick

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Posted: Jun 29, 2012 9:01 PM   in response to: inyun in response to: inyun
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Cool. How much did that cost, Thom?
inyun

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Posted: Jun 29, 2012 9:27 PM   in response to: whydoineedanick in response to: whydoineedanick
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Signchef charged me $200.00 for 4 magnetic signs. If you have a beat up car and are not worried about paint damage, you can get stick on vinyl much cheaper.

DigitalDonna my cover person took original thumbnails and made them denser and I just submitted them to SignChef. I love them.

I am contacting them tomorrow to have (1) sign made up for my Hospice Killer series which appears to be on life support. One sign will probably be $75.00 but if it gets my series rolling it is well worth it.

Thom
jorgemgonzalez

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Posted: Jun 30, 2012 12:57 AM   in response to: writeranne in response to: writeranne
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The main problem here is not even the free promos, those take place for limited time, the main problem here is that Amazon does not give a flipping penny about your book sales or mine, they care only and exclusively about selling the hardware, period.
What's the only thing you can get free in the whole amazon universe? Ebooks, of course.
Amazon decided to be a reader's welfare institution a long, long time ago in order to sell more Kindles, and that decision has affected authors and indie publishers equally. The simple truth is that they make pennies out of our books compared to the millions they make out of the Kindle sales, so why should they care about your sales when they have years of free reading material on their servers? Go figure.
Feel lucky if your sales are good enough as to fill the gas tank once a month. Hold on tight to that, and then smile when some posters tell you everything is peachy.
When the free public domain books are not so attractive anymore let's create KDP Select so we can give fresh, new "original material" cheap enough if not for free. Brilliant! You should admire its simplicity.
Good luck, and be all well.
writeranne

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Posted: Jun 30, 2012 6:43 PM   in response to: jorgemgonzalez in response to: jorgemgonzalez
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The one redeeming thing that will come of all these free books hopefully, is that the terrible writers ( I won't call them authors) will eventually get fed up and go find some other way to scam people.

If enough of us serious, professional authors stick to our guns and stay away from giving free books, in time, this should work itself out.

Anyone who came to KDP with hopes of becoming the next super-star, needs to get real. Publishing on Amazon should just be one part of your overall publishing plan. You can't expect to put all your eggs in this basket, as there is no room with all the free eggs pushing them out.
carolmarlene

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Posted: Jun 30, 2012 7:15 PM   in response to: writeranne in response to: writeranne
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I wouldn't say that just because someone is offering a FREE book that they are scamming anyone.
I also don't think that just because someone offers a free book that they are a terrible writer (and not an author) They could be selling other books and using a free one as a tool to promote their writing.

I don't like this landslide of free books being advertised daily either. Although as a reader I would probably like it, if I took advantage of it. But I am too busy writing to download a pile of free books. I would never get to them.

I don't know if the flow of steady books that are being offered daily are hurting the purchase of other books or not. It would seem to be that way considering especially KDP's slow down of sales reports in May and June as compared to earlier months. However, that is no reason to call anyone a scammer or a non-writer. If the choice is there to offer a book for free and some authors want to do so that is their privilege, at the moment at least.
matzbravo

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Posted: Jul 1, 2012 8:20 AM   in response to: ricardo7777 in response to: ricardo7777
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Something unclear here too. UPDATE AND CORRECTION: THE PAYMENT ADVICE REERS TO SALES IN MARCH AND APRIL, NOT MAY, SO MY QUESTION HAS BEEN CLARIFIED. SALES ARE NOT PAID UNTIL AT LEAST 30 DAYS (IT SEEMS) HAVE ELAPSED FROM DATE OF SALE. EVEN SO, MORE DETAILED SALES INFO AND INDIVIDUAL SALES NOTICES BY EMAIL TO SELLER WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

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matzbravo

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Posted: Jul 1, 2012 8:23 AM   in response to: bobthebookbuilder in response to: bobthebookbuilder
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What book are you selling?
jorgemgonzalez

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Posted: Jul 1, 2012 9:30 AM   in response to: carolmarlene in response to: carolmarlene
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I agree with your statement, and I'd like to add my two cents to it with all due respect to aurhors and publishers.
The definition of a writer or his/her works pertains to us only as individuals. An author or a book is as "good" or "lousy" as it is perceived by the reader, therefore, whatever works are lousy to us, it might be great to others and vice versa, this principle applies to even the most seasoned "professional" critics. History has thought us so.
On the other hand, (and this is just a personal approach) I rather offer any form of human expression/creation my respect as long as the effort is genuine and sincere. Not everyone is a Hawthorne, a Twain, or a Bronte, but most of us has a story to tel, and whether we are able to convey the message in a way that appeals to the reader's best judgement and benevolence or not,it remains yet to be seen.
Good writers and bad writers? I don't know much about that, but I know a little bit about this:
"For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again". Matthew 7:2
bobthebookbuilder

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Posted: Jul 2, 2012 6:37 AM   in response to: matzbravo in response to: matzbravo
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If only it were that easy. I am not selling just one book; ,I in fact, have 15 on Amazon.

What I do is give the first in a series away and the others in that series seem to sell just fine. Of course, the fact that the giveaway book is an award winner seems to help. As an example, yesterday I had 77 free downloads and sold 42 books. To me that's a pretty good tradeoff.
jamesat52

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Posted: Jul 2, 2012 11:37 AM   in response to: jorgemgonzalez in response to: jorgemgonzalez
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"they care only and exclusively about selling the hardware, period."

Amazon loses money on every Kindle device sold.
They do this because they make their money on eBook sales.
It is a very BASIC marketing concept called a LOSS LEADER.

Ill informed knee jerk reactions demonstrate the extreme sense of entitlement out there.

"I wrote a crappy book and it's Amazon's fault no one is buying it."
Crawl back to mama.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2011/10/yes-kindle-fire-loss-leader/43205/
shortprogram

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Posted: Jul 2, 2012 11:41 AM   in response to: chowminsky in response to: chowminsky
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LearningIsland's sales are also dying, which is a bit strange since our sales on Barnes & Noble are growing and growing. We sell over $1400 a month on B&N, and only about $200 on Amazon. I know part of that is that we sell children's books and B&N is a much better market for that, but it does seem to be a bit more of a discrepancy than I would expect.

I'm wondering if we, and people who purchase something and it never gets registered should contact Amazon's auditors, Ernst and Young of Palo Alto, CA. Perhaps their auditors can figure out what is going on.
jorgemgonzalez

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Posted: Jul 2, 2012 7:13 PM   in response to: jamesat52 in response to: jamesat52
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@James.

Registered: 6/27/12, you have only three posts, and I quote:

[b]Re: My my my!!! Pray it's not a case of ...fraud? [/b]
Posted: Jun 27, 2012 2:50 PM in response to: ricardo7777

I looked at your offerings. [b]The only thing fishy is your books.[/b]

[b]The covers are enough to make anyone run away.[/b]
[b]The mechanics of the prose - via Look Inside - are not much better.[/b]
[b]Did you hire an editor - if so, get your money back.[/b]

[b]You are NOT selling because no one wants to buy.[/b]

While this account is new - I am not.(???) If you are going to threaten Amazon senior leadership there's no telling what you might do to someone who [b]calls you out on your bad books and lack of understanding of how this whole process works.[/b]

Very helpful and encouraging James!



[b]Re: My my my!!! Pray it's not a case of ...fraud?[/b]
Posted: Jun 27, 2012 8:35 PM in response to: 76year2

The covers I saw all had a black woman on a busy background with >[b]some poorly chosen fonts. Shadows & It's All In the Game.[/b]

I am VERY aware of the differences in eBook vs. real book formatting.
BUT, all bold body text is a real formatting nightmare (Game).

Formatting issues aside, [b]this doesn't change the poorly written material inside the book.[/b]



Oh, James! You are in danger of sounding like other nut-jobs (Any similarity with some other nicknames here is not, at all, a coincidence) who don't miss a chance of attacking, alienating, and diminishing others, feeding their larger-than-life egos, accusing everyone else of being, the least, mediocre while they are the new generation of Shakespeares, duMauriers, and so on. So much for the "extreme sense of entitlement out there." you talk about.

If you want to establish your credentials as a brilliant writer, graphic designer, desktop publisher, type-setter, etc. you should know there are better ways of doing so.

"I wrote a crappy book and it's Amazon's fault no one
is buying it."

Well James, here's where you caught your little finger with the door. I am not an author! But a simple independent publisher, so, I have not written any "crappy" book for you to criticize. Sorry dude!

By the way James, why don't you post the links to your masterpieces so we can "evaluate" your "awesome" work?

Well, I guess while sales are dyingggggggggg, decency and modesty died a long time ago.

Crawl back to mama.

Crawl back to yours and be well.
jamesat52

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Posted: Jul 3, 2012 5:15 AM   in response to: jorgemgonzalez in response to: jorgemgonzalez
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Jorge:

There six crappy GIANT publishers and hundreds of crappy little publishers too. This does not make you exempt from crap.

Based on your response and the spittle I can imagine you left on your screen - my job is done.

jorgemgonzalez

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Posted: Jul 3, 2012 3:57 PM   in response to: jamesat52 in response to: jamesat52
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@James:

Sorry Jimbo, I can't understand your reasoning, it might be due to all the drool and bile. The only clear thing is that "your job is done."

Now, if you mean the job of proclaiming yourself the last coca-cola in the desert, some kind of super-duper writer, the smarter of the KDP lot with nothing to back up your words with, well, your job is done, actually, that's all you have done with all your posts, however, that's not new, other jack arses have done it before, making themselves look like a bunch of nut-cases with pretensions of being great writers when, in reality, they are not.

Where are your "masterpieces" James?
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