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Massive book scam at Amazon
Posted: Dec 9, 2017 7:28 AM
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Everyone knows about this, but nobody seems do anything.
I've recently found out about a massive scam going on @ Amazon. Fake books with fake paid reviews, gaming the system and taking the money out of genuine customers.

This has started to directly impact me, as these fake books with paid reviews are going to the top of my categories.

See by yourself:

Fake reviewer: https://www.amazon.com/gp/profile/amzn1.account.AHM2A2IFHF7BQAIQBVLLMM5NBSVA

See all the books he has reviewed. He has reviewed cookbooks, money books, fitness books, psychology books, bitcoin books, habits books, vegetarian books, technology books, productivity books, kids books, poker books, whiskey books, etc, all with 4 or 5 stars. About 100 reviews in 2 months.

All these books are also connected on the "also bought". You go to a fake fitness book https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074YJFXR7/ with paid reviews and see "instant pot cookbook", "trading", "Reiki healing", "procrastination", "how to analyze people", "Buddhism", "canning and preserving", "modern calligraphy" books, for example.

Another one: https://www.amazon.com/How-Analyze-People-Laser-Sharp-Determining-ebook/dp/B0755H844Z/ - see the reviewers, click @ any profile and see the same books reviewed.

All these books are made by internet marketers copy/pasting from Google/Wikipedia. Click on a reviewer of these books (one that has given 4 or 5 stars) and see all the books reviewed. These are mostly all fake (if not all). I can't be sure they didn't review genuine books to look more "natural", but it seems as if they didn't care to do that.

By checking multiple reviewers, I saw that this is a colossal scam, with over 70 fake copy-pasted books with dozens of fake paid reviews. All reviews are similar, just changing a few wording. The names of the reviewers also clearly look fake. It is funny. They put the books on Kindle Unlimited and make them free to get verified reviews, and then put them paid on obscure categories to have the best-seller status.

I am not sure what Amazon is going to do about this, and pardon me if this is the wrong place to report it, but I have reported most of those books to Amazon, and I am still waiting for a response. Perhaps you could help too, <by reporting> the books to Amazon.

Thank you and have a nice day.

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Re: Massive book scam at Amazon
Posted: Dec 10, 2017 7:23 AM   in response to: Reporter in response to: Reporter
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Everyone knows about this, but nobody seems do anything.
I've recently found out about a massive scam going on @ Amazon. Fake books with fake paid reviews, gaming the system and taking the money out of genuine customers.

This has started to directly impact me, as these fake books with paid reviews are going to the top of my categories.

See by yourself:

Fake reviewer: https://www.amazon.com/gp/profile/amzn1.account.AHM2A2IFHF7BQAIQBVLLMM5NBSVA

See all the books he has reviewed. He has reviewed cook*books, money*books, fitness*books, psychology*books, bitcoin*books, habits*books, vegetarian*books, technology*books, productivity*books, kids*books, poker*books, whiskey*books, etc, all with 4 or 5 stars. About 100 reviews in 2 months.

All these books are also connected on the "also bought". You go to a fake fitness book https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074YJFXR7/ with paid reviews and see "instant pot cook*book", "trading", "Reiki*healing", "procrastination", "how to analyze people", "Buddhism", "canning and preserving", "modern calligraphy" *books, for example.

Another one: https://www.amazon.com/How-Analyze-People-Laser-Sharp-Determining-ebook/dp/B0755H844Z/ - see the reviewers, click @ any profile and see the same books reviewed.

All these books are made by internet marketers copy/pasting from Google/Wikipedia. Click on a reviewer of these books (one that has given 4 or 5 stars) and see all the books reviewed. These are mostly all fake (if not all). I can't be sure they didn't review genuine books to look more "natural", but it seems as if they didn't care to do that.

By checking multiple reviewers, I saw that this is a colossal scam, with over 70 fake copy-pasted books with dozens of fake paid reviews. All reviews are similar, just changing a few wording. The names of the reviewers also clearly look fake. It is funny. They put the books on Kindle Unlimited and make them free to get verified reviews, and then put them paid on obscure categories to have the best-seller status.

I am not sure what Amazon is going to do about this, and pardon me if this is the wrong place to report it, but I have reported most of those books to Amazon, and I am still waiting for a response. Perhaps you could help too, by reporting the books to Amazon.

Thank you and have a nice day.
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Re: Massive book scam at Amazon
Posted: Dec 10, 2017 8:48 AM   in response to: Salamander Mall... in response to: Salamander Mall...
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Your hatred is unreasonable, dear friend. I have reported to Amazon those books with paid reviews.

Everybody knows that there are fake books and fake reviews, but not everyone knows exactly which ones.

Since I have found a big scam going on, with +70 fake books/fake reviews, with obvious proofs, I thought perhaps other people would also help and report some of those books/reviewers, so that Amazon can actually look into it.

That is all.
Ralph E Vaughan

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Re: Massive book scam at Amazon
Posted: Dec 10, 2017 3:19 PM   in response to: Reporter in response to: Reporter
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Reporter wrote:
Your hatred is unreasonable, dear friend. I have reported to Amazon those books with paid reviews.

Everybody knows that there are fake books and fake reviews, but not everyone knows exactly which ones.

Since I have found a big scam going on, with +70 fake books/fake reviews, with obvious proofs, I thought perhaps other people would also help and report some of those books/reviewers, so that Amazon can actually look into it.

That is all.


A little harsh with the Salamander, weren't you?

I followed the links you posted, but didn't find anything at the other end but the kind of short publications (we call them scamphlets) that are quickly written (often by ghosts) and target very specific, often-underserved nonfiction niches. They are opportunistic and shallow, but not much different than any other self-help book written by an unknown. In fact, going by the bios, the writers, though lacking academic achievements, bring more to the table in terms of experience than do the dozens of self-help hopefuls who post links to their books in the forum every week. The only thing about one of the books you linked that I didn't like was keyword stuffing, but that's a problem across all genres on Amazon.

As to the reviewers, maybe they are fake, maybe they're not. Most reviews on Amazon are just a line or two, and I'm not surprised when I see that someone who wrote a review about some get-rich-quick-scheme or get-fit-fad has read and reviewed others in the same and related genres. Or even that they've read several in a short period -- none of them take more than an hour to read, most a lot less. As to the names, most customers don't post under their real names; the most "prolific" reviewer is Amazon Customer.

You can argue that the books are insipid and lack any real value or content, and I don't think you'd get much disagreement. The lackluster sales ranking (500,000+) would also bolster that opinion. But are they fake? I have no idea and saw nothing to make me take that leap. The books you cite from the also-bought listing are there because other customers bought them; that's the same on any other sales page. I don't see anything sinister in it, especially since it's sales driven and posted by Amazon itself.

Taking the books themselves and their reviewers out of the equation, we're left only with your own assurance of fakery, but your proof is that "everyone knows it." None of us is privy to what Amazon knows, and are never likely to be. So, while I am sure that there are "fake" books on Amazon, you really haven't presented any incontrovertible evidence that these competitors of yours fall into that cate*gory. Obviously, others may feel differently.

Well, you say you've reported the books to Amazon, so do let us know if you hear anything specific, meaning more than the usual boilerplate letter they send to us about any question we tender.
Emily Veinglory

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Re: Massive book scam at Amazon
Posted: Dec 10, 2017 4:33 PM   in response to: Reporter in response to: Reporter
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If you identify scams as poorly as you do hatred, I am not inclined to believe what you have to say about them.
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Re: Massive book scam at Amazon
Posted: Dec 10, 2017 7:51 PM   in response to: Reporter in response to: Reporter
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Hi, Reporter. (I like reporters; I used to be one.)

Thanks for your message. I know you are plenty upset; I don't blame you. Unfortunately, as others have noted, there is not much to be done. Cheats prosper. How about that fake restaurant that was ginned up to be No. 1 in London on TripAdvisor?

As for using the word "hatred," I believe you are not a native English speaker (am I right?), so you just chose the wrong word. Try "ire" or "discomfort," or --- well, you get the idea. Don't give up.

Best wishes!
Salamander Mall...

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Re: Massive book scam at Amazon
Posted: Dec 11, 2017 3:03 PM   in response to: George Garrigues in response to: George Garrigues
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George Garrigues wrote:
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As for using the word "hatred," I believe you are not a native English speaker (am I right?), so you just chose the wrong word. Try "ire" or "discomfort," or --- well, you get the idea. ...

I'm so glad there's someone who knows me well enough to advise others how I really feel.

BTW, George, deleting other forum member's posts because you don't like them is not good. We had wondered who's been at it recently.
Ralph E Vaughan

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Re: Massive book scam at Amazon
Posted: Dec 12, 2017 11:18 AM   in response to: Salamander Mall... in response to: Salamander Mall...
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Salamander Mallory wrote:
George Garrigues wrote:
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As for using the word "hatred," I believe you are not a native English speaker (am I right?), so you just chose the wrong word. Try "ire" or "discomfort," or --- well, you get the idea. ...

I'm so glad there's someone who knows me well enough to advise others how I really feel.

BTW, George, deleting other forum member's posts because you don't like them is not good. We had wondered who's been at it recently.


Over in the Voice... forum, Dale posted about a serial deleter being active again. Is this part of that, of something different? I recall, it used to be very bad, peaking a couple years back with that crazy lady who not only deleted by the hundreds, but also indulged in impersonation and harassment. Drove a lot of the best posters out of the forum. I'd hate to see all that foolishness start over again.
Donna St Felix

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Re: Massive book scam at Amazon
Posted: Dec 12, 2017 11:24 AM   in response to: Ralph E Vaughan in response to: Ralph E Vaughan
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Ralph E Vaughan wrote:
Salamander Mallory wrote:
George Garrigues wrote:
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As for using the word "hatred," I believe you are not a native English speaker (am I right?), so you just chose the wrong word. Try "ire" or "discomfort," or --- well, you get the idea. ...

I'm so glad there's someone who knows me well enough to advise others how I really feel.

BTW, George, deleting other forum member's posts because you don't like them is not good. We had wondered who's been at it recently.

Over in the Voice... forum, Dale posted about a serial deleter being active again. Is this part of that, of something different? I recall, it used to be very bad, peaking a couple years back with that crazy lady who not only deleted by the hundreds, but also indulged in impersonation and harassment. Drove a lot of the best posters out of the forum. I'd hate to see all that foolishness start over again.


Ah, Jessica - Haven't seen her on the threads in a while.
I really think things are being transferred to a new site (new site format).
Ralph E Vaughan

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Re: Massive book scam at Amazon
Posted: Dec 12, 2017 2:25 PM   in response to: Donna St Felix in response to: Donna St Felix
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Donna St Felix wrote:
Ralph E Vaughan wrote:
Salamander Mallory wrote:
George Garrigues wrote:
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As for using the word "hatred," I believe you are not a native English speaker (am I right?), so you just chose the wrong word. Try "ire" or "discomfort," or --- well, you get the idea. ...

I'm so glad there's someone who knows me well enough to advise others how I really feel.

BTW, George, deleting other forum member's posts because you don't like them is not good. We had wondered who's been at it recently.

Over in the Voice... forum, Dale posted about a serial deleter being active again. Is this part of that, of something different? I recall, it used to be very bad, peaking a couple years back with that crazy lady who not only deleted by the hundreds, but also indulged in impersonation and harassment. Drove a lot of the best posters out of the forum. I'd hate to see all that foolishness start over again.

Ah, Jessica - Haven't seen her on the threads in a while.
I really think things are being transferred to a new site (new site format).


Yes, Jessica, that was the name, among other noms de guerre. Some of us took a break from the forum at the height of her lunacy. Hopefully, you're right about a coming change, preferably one with a captcha feature.
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