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SANJAY

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unable to remove books from other distribution platform.
Posted: Dec 20, 2017 12:43 AM
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Hello,

I have published a book in amazon and i also published the same in Ingram sparks, i am generating good sales in amazon but i dont make any sales in ingram sparks, so i wanted to remove my book from Ingram sparks and make it exclusive to amazon through KDP select, But its been almost a month and they have cancelled my ebook in their website but my ebook is still being distributed through their distribution partners, i tried to contact them but they say they have done their part. now i don't know what to do, please help me.

Thanks & Regards,
Sanjay D
Donna St Felix

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Re: unable to remove books from other distribution platform.
Posted: Dec 20, 2017 1:33 AM   in response to: SANJAY in response to: SANJAY
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SANJAY wrote:
I have published a book in amazon and i also published the same in Ingram sparks, i am generating good sales in amazon but i dont make any sales in ingram sparks, so i wanted to remove my book from Ingram sparks and make it exclusive to amazon through KDP select, But its been almost a month and they have cancelled my ebook in their website but my ebook is still being distributed through their distribution partners, i tried to contact them but they say they have done their part. now i don't know what to do, please help me.

Unless you have some type of contract with Ingram Sparks, you can put your book into digital format at the Kindle site. You just can't get into the Select program until you are sure the problem is taken care of.

I am not familiar with how Ingram Sparks works so hopefully others will reply.
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Re: unable to remove books from other distribution platform.
Posted: Dec 20, 2017 3:17 AM   in response to: SANJAY in response to: SANJAY
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The average writer will make more money selling books on the Apple iBookstore and lesser platforms than by hunkering down in Select. (If you write genre serials featuring sex, violence, or noble women, results might be different.)

However, I've never heard of marketing ebooks solely through IngramSpark. The usual aggregators are Draft2Digital and SmashWords, of which I prefer D2D.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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Re: unable to remove books from other distribution platform.
Posted: Dec 20, 2017 3:42 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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I'm making a good portion of my sales through KU and it lets me focus on learning the marketing for just one area. If / when I go wide, I'll use Draft 2 Digital.
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Re: unable to remove books from other distribution platform.
Posted: Dec 20, 2017 3:43 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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Hello NJ,

This book is for learning a specific language, i didn't go for the KDP select earlier because i know that i would be making almost no money, but when i published my book to other platforms i don't make any sales either, so i thought maybe if i put my book on KDP select, even if i don't make more through it, at least my book will get more views, sales ranking, and reviews.

Can you please give me some guidance?, as i am new here, i don't know which method is the best for me.

I let my ebook in Ingram for the whole month of November and half of December, do i need to let it be there for long to see the result.

by the way Ingram spark is also an aggregator, they published my books in their distribution channels eg. kobo, B&N, ibook etc

(Note: But i realized that going through ingram was a mistake because the royalty percentage was very less, the better option would D2D, i learned this after making the mistake)

Thanks & Regards,
Sanjay D

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Edited by: SANJAY on Dec 20, 2017 7:09 AM
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Re: unable to remove books from other distribution platform.
Posted: Dec 20, 2017 4:46 AM   in response to: SANJAY in response to: SANJAY
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SANJAY wrote:
Can you please give me some guidance?, as i am new here, i don't know which method is the best for me.
What works for one author and book rarely works for another, so you still have to figure out what works best for you by trial and error.

Like Notjohn, I believe in making my books available through as many channels as possible, so most of my books are not in Select. This is especially important if you write for an international audience.

I let my ebook in Ingram for the whole month of November and half of December, do i need to let it be there for long to see the result.
It can take a year or more to build a platform on the other channels. However, simply publishing a book and letting it sit there isn't going to help you at all. You have to market it, just as you would on KDP. In fact, you have to work even harder to get traction on the other channels.

If your book isn't selling, it could simply mean there's not a market for it.
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Posted: Dec 20, 2017 6:50 AM   in response to: SANJAY in response to: SANJAY
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There's no point in you putting your book in Select. If read all the way through, you'll get $1.40 or so, but who reads a language instruction book straight through? Lots of back and forth, skipping, starting over, etc. You don't get anything for pages re-read, skipped over or flipped through too quickly. Consider, also, that KU members can borrow your book as many times as they want with no further revenue going to you.

As to sales, even books in popular genres have trouble gaining a market share. You're not in anything like a popular genre. You have nearly a hundred competitors scrabbling for a shallow readership, many of them priced less than your $9.99 ($40.00 for the paperback) and most written by authors in possession of some sort of academic degree...according to your own bio, you're just a guy who loves the Tamil language and started teaching it to foreigners. Call me silly, but if I wanted to learn an obscure language, I'd probably pick the book that had the best combination of price and author reputation (professional degrees).

With all you have against you, I don't understand why you would want to limit yourself to Amazon. Given that Ingram Spark was a mistake, you could still go to one of the others. That way you could reach customers in areas where Amazon is weak as well as Amazon's customer base.
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Posted: Dec 20, 2017 8:07 AM   in response to: Salamander Mall... in response to: Salamander Mall...
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Hello Salamander,

What you say is absolutely true and it makes sense as well with regards to the KDP select, but for the point where you mention people usually go for an author with professional degree, i have to disagree on that. When it comes to students or readers, end result matters, I have read so many books before writing this book, many of those books written by so called authors with professional degree are not written with the reader on their mind, they write those books based on their mindset and their point of view, hence it makes the book very complicated for the readers to understand e.g you can find lots of books written by so called authors with professional degree in amazon with no sales or bad reviews and there are many books written by native speakers or polygots with huge sales.

Personally, to think that a person reads a books based on authors fancy qualification is absurd, they either read the reviews or check the sample of the book to see what the book offers, i usually do the same and i know many who does as well, so what you say was very surprising for me.

The book i wrote is niche, I know that very well, i don't expect to sell 100s of book every day (I want to be a Big fish in a small bowl rather than being a small fish in a big ocean), that's the reason the price is also high, its because its a small market and trust me there are a small number of people who buys the book every week. The reason why i want to concentrate and stick to amazon is due to the sales ranking and the reviews, when I go to other distribution channels, since their market is small i will not get a good sales rank or reviews in them so my book will be among 100s of book with no reviews or sales rank.That's why i was wondering to be in KDP select for some time just to boost my rankings and reviews because its a fact that Royalty generated from KDP select is peanuts.

I am not a professional book writer who wrote 100s of books, this is my first book to be honest, things which i have mentioned above may be right or may be wrong, i just wanted to share my thoughts. But i highly appreciate your information on the KDP select the royalty you get from it sucks big time.

(P.S: Never judge a book by its cover and never judge a book by the author's professional qualification as both are irrelevant, whats written in the book matters, anybody can write a book but only the book which has good content sells)

Best Regards,
Sanjay

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Re: unable to remove books from other distribution platform.
Posted: Dec 20, 2017 8:18 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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I never sold a single book when I went through a distributor, in spite of my book being available with dozens of retailers around the world. Only when I dropped them and went exclusively through Amazon did I start seeing sales, and I prefer the control I have of my own product vs the need to go through a distributor.
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Posted: Dec 20, 2017 8:36 AM   in response to: SANJAY in response to: SANJAY
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SANJAY wrote:
Hello Salamander,

What you say is absolutely true and it makes sense as well with regards to the KDP select, but for the point where you mention people usually go for an author with professional degree, i have to disagree on that. When it comes to students or readers, end result matters, I have read so many books before writing this book, many of those books written by so called authors with professional degree are not written with the reader on their mind, they write those books based on their mindset and their point of view, hence it makes the book very complicated for the readers to understand e.g you can find lots of books written by so called authors with professional degree in amazon with no sales or bad reviews and there are many books written by native speakers or polygots with huge sales.

Personally, to think that a person reads a books based on authors fancy qualification is absurd, they either read the reviews or check the sample of the book to see what the book offers, i usually do the same and i know many who does as well, so what you say was very surprising for me.

The book i wrote is niche, I know that very well, i don't expect to sell 100s of book every day (I want to be a Big fish in a small bowl rather than being a small fish in a big ocean), that's the reason the price is also high, its because its a small market and trust me there are a small number of people who buys the book every week. The reason why i want to concentrate and stick to amazon is due to the sales ranking and the reviews, when I go to other distribution channels, since their market is small i will not get a good sales rank or reviews in them so my book will be among 100s of book with no reviews or sales rank.That's why i was wondering to be in KDP select for some time just to boost my rankings and reviews because its a fact that Royalty generated from KDP select is peanuts.

I am not a professional book writer who wrote 100s of books, this is my first book to be honest, things which i have mentioned above may be right or may be wrong, i just wanted to share my thoughts. But i highly appreciate your information on the KDP select the royalty you get from it sucks big time.

(P.S: Never judge a book by its cover and never judge a book by the author's professional qualification as both are irrelevant, whats written in the book matters, anybody can write a book but only the book which has good content sells)

Best Regards,
Sanjay


How-to/Self-improvement books gain readers mainly by two ways: author recognition (have I heard of him?) and author reputation (can I trust him?). It may be absurd, but it's the way people have been trained. Unlike diet or meditation books where the small pool of readers might be expected to purchase a few, readers of language instruction books will probably buy only one, perhaps two if they don't give up. I think your main advantage is that you emphasize spoken Tamil, and your book is at the top of the list when that phrase is searched...honestly, I can't see beginners searching for grammar, writing or dictionary. And that's why I think you'd better off not tied to Amazon, aside from the small recompense offered by KU. Big fish in a small bowl (big frog in a small pond, where I come from) is certainly possible. Good luck with your quest.
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Re: unable to remove books from other distribution platform.
Posted: Dec 20, 2017 8:42 AM   in response to: Salamander Mall... in response to: Salamander Mall...
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Hello Salamander,

Your thoughts are very insightful, thanks for sharing your knowledge, i will do some experimenting and see what suits better for my book in terms of sales.

You might have answered this already but still just to be clear, i am little confused on this question, If my book is on Kindle Select program will it give more recognition and boost my book in the Amazon search engine?. It may be an absurd question, but since i am new i am trying to understand how amazon search engine works. what gives your book more exposure in the search engine, is it just the keyword (meta data) or the sales of the book or number of visitors to your book page or all together.

Thank you,
Sanjay D

Edited by: SANJAY on Dec 20, 2017 8:43 AM
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Posted: Dec 20, 2017 9:03 AM   in response to: SANJAY in response to: SANJAY
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Many people wonder how Amazon search works, and there is no complete answer. However, we do know that some of its main drivers are sales and keywords. Being in Select does not inherently give you greater recognition or exposure. It does make your book available to a group of readers who never buy books, but I think they're looking for Romance, Science Fiction, Mystery and Porn, not language instruction, though I might be wrong (I'm not) about that. If you had a large number of borrows you would get a rank boost, same as sales, but you're getting a pittance and cutting yourself off from a larger world market. Bottom line with KU is that people opt into it in hopes of high page reads (100,000+) each month, not as an overt marketing strategy.
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Re: unable to remove books from other distribution platform.
Posted: Dec 20, 2017 9:22 AM   in response to: Salamander Mall... in response to: Salamander Mall...
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Interesting, I was under the impression that i can use it as a marketing tool, perhaps i am wrong, and the market i am looking for is a niche, so not many will come and read my book through KDP select, lol i will not even get more than 2000 page reads a month. In this case i will better go and try D2D. Once again thanks for your response.
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