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bruce w ashford

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Kindle Create and Kindle Add In
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 8:01 AM
 
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I've tried both Kindle Create and Kindle Add In. They are both full of glitches. I've wasted 5 nights and 40 hours. Incredibly frustrating. Is anyone familiar with Create Space or any of the other paid help, and how did it all work out? I think I'm looking at 800 to 1,000 dollars to do this right. Afterwards, for you published authors, how did you go about marketing your book, the next step. Help appreciated, not babble. Thanks.
Notjohn

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Re: Kindle Create and Kindle Add In
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 8:59 AM   in response to: bruce w ashford in response to: bruce w ashford
 
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CreateSpace is an Amazon division for publishing paperbacks. There are no charges to use the system, nor are there any charges to use the KDP platform for ebooks.

If you want to hire it done, you can get a good ebook from BookNook dot biz for about $200. But the vast majority of us do the work ourselves. Some are happy with CreateSpace, others with uploading a well styled Word doc (see the third post on my blog), and some of us by building an epub and uploading that.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

Good luck! -- NJ

Notjohn's Guide to E-Book & Print Formatting (2018 edition)

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Moshe Ben-Or

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Re: Kindle Create and Kindle Add In
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 7:30 PM   in response to: bruce w ashford in response to: bruce w ashford
 
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Save the money for a professional cover and marketing. Follow the Zon guide to formatting: https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G200645680

Save as HTML if you have minimal net skills, and tweak that to your heart's content. Alternatively, simply upload a carefully formatted word document. The latter has more pitfalls, but if you have no clue and can't learn HTML, it is the easiest route.

CreateSpace requires a pdf layout of your book, which you can produce in your favorite word processor. Never use them to produce a kindle e-book. The results are dismal.

There is absolutely no reason to spend a penny on creating an ebook or paperback per se. All money goes to pay for the cover, and for marketing. Jason Moser of maverickdesignworks did my current covers. The prior covers were done by Dane Low of ebooklaunch. Both do an excellent job. You will find Maverick Design to be very reasonably priced.
Maheshwaran

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Re: Kindle Create and Kindle Add In
Posted: Jan 4, 2018 1:44 AM   in response to: bruce w ashford in response to: bruce w ashford
 
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I have used the Kindle Add-on, and did had issues initially. But then now seems like a better choice than just using the WORD document.
Lyle Murphy

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Re: Kindle Create and Kindle Add In
Posted: Jan 16, 2018 6:18 PM   in response to: bruce w ashford in response to: bruce w ashford
 
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I have not heard many success stories with Kindle Create. But Amazon keeps touting it.

I use Open Office. I saved my ODF file as a word doc. Now I will port that word doc text into Kindle Create and make the final KPF file for publication.

I had originally used an off-beat text editor. KC made a fixed format KPF that could not publish. So my hope is stay as close to word doc as you can get with a complete restart of KC and the Open Office word doc file . Start from scratch.

There was (is) no way to port the KPF (and hidden KCB) file back to your text doc format. If you make a change in the KC editor --- make it also in you original doc. --- If you make a change in the KC editor, save it, then rebuild your KPF file. Plus as I said you need to make the change too in your word doc file if you want the original document to be up to date.

I think KC is to allow you to make a final acceptable upload file to publish. For that, it may be fine (if it works for me this time as I hope to be as close to a word doc file as I can get.)

So really, KC is for making the final KPF file you can upload. You don't have to wrestle with making word doc do that. KC handles the bells and whistles.

If your text editor is too off-beat I can sure bet the KPF file (even though KC will make one) will have problems for an Amazon release. I know. I hope they have upgraded KC enough that it is a bit more solid and lets you know if it sees problems.
Notjohn

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 3:34 AM   in response to: Lyle Murphy in response to: Lyle Murphy
 
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To add to the above (the thread is a week or so old, which can be a long time in this business), CreateSpace no longer offers editing or formatting services. Amazon is gradually chipping away at CS, in hopes of making it as lame as KDP Print Beta.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

Good luck! -- NJ

Notjohn's Guide to E-Book & Print Formatting (2018 edition)

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Re: Kindle Create and Kindle Add In
Posted: Jan 17, 2018 3:34 AM   in response to: Lyle Murphy in response to: Lyle Murphy
 
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Dupe, sorry!

Edited by: Notjohn on Jan 17, 2018 3:35 AM
Lyle Murphy

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Re: Kindle Create and Kindle Add In
Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:05 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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Makes sense NJ. CS moving to KDP print Beta --- they just want one make-to-print SW for print books. E-Books are open season still. I hope KC works for me this time. KC makes sense and has neat features. But it is just for the novel type ebook or is best for that --- so it is touted.

PressBooks.com also offers what seems like an editor. Could be a "Kindle Gen" thing it looks like as you can switch to look at the HTML it makes. But it looks a bit awkward to me to work with vs. KC. KC is neat --- it is how you start with it that is important. Use a word doc file I guess. KC just does all the bells and whistles for you.

I had used Kindle Create a long time ago. I had started with an off=beat editor and that was the problem. Amazon KC still made a KPF file but it was unusable. But the previewer 3 handled it just fine. So what gives ?!?!?! So why could it not release? But the KPF was fixed format due to the off-beat editor it looks like, yet the preview showed it could flow like re-flowable yet marked as fixed ... Amazon could never fix it. Once your book is up there as fixed you can't load a reflowable on top of it to replace it. Sucks. Amazon is still upgrading their SW on the fly.

I had to pull the finished book out of KC one paragraph at a time and put it in Open Office and port to word doc type file. Now start all over with their newest KC and try this again.

Live and learn.

PressBooks is still an option. It says it can correct strange formats it sees. Will KC do that now ? I hope so.

I am lucky that writing is just a hobby for me as this can be frustrating.

Edited by: Lyle Murphy on Jan 17, 2018 8:10 AM
Paul Allard

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Re: Kindle Create and Kindle Add In
Posted: Jan 17, 2018 12:30 PM   in response to: bruce w ashford in response to: bruce w ashford
 
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I'm using Word 2106. Tried to install 'Kindle Create' but I always get the eror message 'Please close Microsoft Word to continue with installation'!
Anyone else had this proble?
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Lyle Murphy

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Re: Kindle Create and Kindle Add In
Posted: Jan 19, 2018 11:22 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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As an update. I saved my Open Office file as a xp word doc (older versions do not work below 95 I think.) I use Open Office and it can save to several word doc type formats.

It was just plain old written text with no formatting. All with title, subtitle, copyright and single line entries for the chapters as a line of text and text for each chapter to follow. proper spacing with italics --- and that was all. All the writing was run together line after line. You have to have the paragraph and spacing you like of course. But that is all.

It imported fine into Kindle Create. I then used KC to identify the title page with copyright ... then broke out each chapter. Selected the style. Thus KC made the TOC --- I saved it (KCB file) --- hit publish and uploaded the KPF file to KPD. And of course you can see the book in the previewer and fix what you need to and republish the KPF again before you release it to KDP.

This worked flawlessly!!!

The book is released. Perfect. It is just a straight forward novella. So nothing fancy takes place.

I could not ask for more. I can now just write stories and not have to worry about formatting within the word doc. I let Kindle Create help me handle how it will look.

I knew and hoped Amazon had this figured out. The trick is it does have to be in word doc or docx format and it can be pretty raw ... Kindle Create handles the rest.

Hurray!

Edited by: Lyle Murphy on Jan 19, 2018 11:26 PM
Notjohn

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Posted: Jan 20, 2018 2:29 AM   in response to: Lyle Murphy in response to: Lyle Murphy
 
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Give us the ASIN! It may encourage others to use Kindle Create or the often-misnamed Kindle Create Add-in For Word.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

Good luck! -- NJ

Notjohn's Guide to E-Book & Print Formatting (2018 edition)

The blog: https://notjohnkdp.blogspot.com
Lyle Murphy

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Re: Kindle Create and Kindle Add In
Posted: Jan 22, 2018 5:32 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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Sure. Free advertising. I am seeing I may need to investigate that - an ad angle. Probably not. Let it slow grow. Writing is a hobby.

Anyway it is out for two days now. Middle Grade to YA SF&F

Link:La Sombra

77 pages with Kindle Create. This is not the add-in.
Salamander Mall...

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Re: Kindle Create and Kindle Add In
Posted: Jan 22, 2018 5:42 PM   in response to: Lyle Murphy in response to: Lyle Murphy
 
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Lyle Murphy wrote:
As an update. I saved my Open Office file as a xp word doc (older versions do not work below 95 I think.) I use Open Office and it can save to several word doc type formats.

It was just plain old written text with no formatting. All with title, subtitle, copyright and single line entries for the chapters as a line of text and text for each chapter to follow. proper spacing with italics --- and that was all. All the writing was run together line after line. You have to have the paragraph and spacing you like of course. But that is all.

It imported fine into Kindle Create. I then used KC to identify the title page with copyright ... then broke out each chapter. Selected the style. Thus KC made the TOC --- I saved it (KCB file) --- hit publish and uploaded the KPF file to KPD. And of course you can see the book in the previewer and fix what you need to and republish the KPF again before you release it to KDP.

This worked flawlessly!!!

The book is released. Perfect. It is just a straight forward novella. So nothing fancy takes place.

I could not ask for more. I can now just write stories and not have to worry about formatting within the word doc. I let Kindle Create help me handle how it will look.

I knew and hoped Amazon had this figured out. The trick is it does have to be in word doc or docx format and it can be pretty raw ... Kindle Create handles the rest.

Hurray!

Edited by: Lyle Murphy on Jan 19, 2018 11:26 PM


Ah, yes, having to actually think is so tedious.
Lyle Murphy

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Re: Kindle Create and Kindle Add In
Posted: Jan 22, 2018 7:03 PM   in response to: Salamander Mall... in response to: Salamander Mall...
 
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I do see the slight ...

I would much rather spend my time thinking on the writing and make that work - than how to massage a Word Doc enough to get it to groan just right.

In the old days, if you were good, an editor handled all that (for a fee). Today, as Indie, so far, you have to be a Word Doc guru of sorts, degrees of sorts helps - what's yours? Not that anyone can write, not that I can.

Amazon is trying to remove the confusion and pain so others can get on board quickly. :) . And it works by golly ... go write a book.

Get too fancy and KC is probably short though. But it has features I have not tried too - there may be something there you can do a lot more easily.

Learning how to massage a word doc is not thinking. It is a pain for those not up to speed on how to use word perfectly- Take a course. And there are many who struggle. I never tried. I have KC now which is fine for the average novel it looks like.

To each his own ... good to see you. Strike a pose - The Thinker. ...

Edited by: Lyle Murphy on Jan 22, 2018 7:05 PM

Salamander Mall...

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Posted: Jan 22, 2018 8:45 PM   in response to: Lyle Murphy in response to: Lyle Murphy
 
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Lyle Murphy wrote:
I do see the slight ...

I would much rather spend my time thinking on the writing and make that work - than how to massage a Word Doc enough to get it to groan just right.

In the old days, if you were good, an editor handled all that (for a fee). Today, as Indie, so far, you have to be a Word Doc guru of sorts, degrees of sorts helps - what's yours? Not that anyone can write, not that I can.

Amazon is trying to remove the confusion and pain so others can get on board quickly. :) . And it works by golly ... go write a book.

Get too fancy and KC is probably short though. But it has features I have not tried too - there may be something there you can do a lot more easily.

Learning how to massage a word doc is not thinking. It is a pain for those not up to speed on how to use word perfectly- Take a course. And there are many who struggle. I never tried. I have KC now which is fine for the average novel it looks like.

To each his own ... good to see you. Strike a pose - The Thinker. ...

Edited by: Lyle Murphy on Jan 22, 2018 7:05 PM


Yes, KDP is indeed making it very easy for the unlettered rabble to jump aboard, hence the ever-growing tsunami of craptastic fiction and authoritative self-help books written by nobodies. Their works may be barely literate and grammatical nightmares, but at least KC can paint the sow's ear prettily. Unfortunately for those would-be Kindle Millionaires, the role of publisher still requires intelligence, enterprise and imagination. If writers can't be competent publishers, their masterpieces will go nowhere but oblivion. Well, it's not a perfect world, is it?
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