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MR R J LAIDLER

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Re: Preferred writing tool
Posted: Jan 12, 2018 11:55 AM   in response to: Gary O'Riley in response to: Gary O'Riley
 
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Gary O'Riley wrote:
On a related topic, what's the current situation/thinking on Google docs?
I use it for the first draft. It saves in a cloud somewhere though I download copies being a bit insecure. :) Google Docs allows me to access the document anywhere, in bed or when travelling. :)
I do import it to Word at the end though.
Dave Casey

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Re: Preferred writing tool
Posted: Jan 12, 2018 1:37 PM   in response to: cdalebrittain in response to: cdalebrittain
 
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cdalebrittain wrote:
The problem with apps on tablets is that you really can't publish your book from a tablet. You need a computer. And it's easier to write well if you can see more of your prose at a time, so at least a laptop is really necessary.

Up until about three months ago I was using an RCA Viking Pro tablet, with its 10" screen and attached keyboard. I used that tablet for almost three years. After daily use, it began to get a little spotty, which I can imagine is pretty good for a sub-$100 tablet. I used OpenOffice to do my writing and I didn't have any problem uploading the .doc files to KDP. And I saw plenty of the text to be able to continue writing on it.

When I decided to replace it, I decided to go with a full laptop and picked up a nice ASUS for less than $300 brand new at Best Buy. I've switched over to LibreOffice and haven't looked back since. I can't see any reason to pay for MS Office when I can do everything I need to do with LibreOffice for $0.
Etienne

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Re: Preferred writing tool
Posted: Jan 12, 2018 2:34 PM   in response to: David Dyer in response to: David Dyer
 
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David Dyer wrote:
Hi there everyone, just curious about what people use to write with? Is Word still popular? Or do people use apps on tablets?

If you're going to use a tool, then use the best tool available. I have been using WordPerfect for more than thirty (30) years, and it is still the best.
The fact that many sites require submission of documents in MS Word format is never a problem. With WordPerfect, you can save you file in any of
dozens of formats, including MS Word.

In Mark Coker's Smashwords Style Guide, he states that there are problems in doing so, but his information is incorrect and/or out-of-date. Over the course of the past
several years, I have submitted some 34 titles of my own and 20 titles written by others without any problems from the notorious meatgrinder.

And, for what it's worth, I submit my books to CreateSpace in pure WordPerfect format, and it works every time.
Patrick A. Smith

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Re: Preferred writing tool
Posted: Jan 12, 2018 6:47 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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Notjohn wrote:
I've been using WordStar since 1982 and will never give it up.
That one I've never heard of.
Dave Casey

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Re: Preferred writing tool
Posted: Jan 13, 2018 12:22 AM   in response to: Patrick A. Smith in response to: Patrick A. Smith
 
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Patrick A. Smith wrote:
Notjohn wrote:
I've been using WordStar since 1982 and will never give it up.
That one I've never heard of.

It was popular back in the early to mid 80's. It was Word Perfect's chief competitor. I didn't know they even still made it. I thought it had gone the way of Lotus spreadsheets.

Edit: Okay, having gone and looked it up on Wikipedia, I find it is NO longer being developed. It died back in the 90's. Makes me feel really old because I learned word processing on it and Word Perfect back in the 80's, in my mid-20's. Gawd, I'm getting old!

I'm guessing notjohn is an old fart, too. Probably still running an 8086 computer on MS DOS. ;)

Edited by: Dave Casey on Jan 13, 2018 12:24 AM
C. Gold

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Re: Preferred writing tool
Posted: Jan 13, 2018 2:37 AM   in response to: Dave Casey in response to: Dave Casey
 
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Oh man, I LOATHED LOATHED LOATHED WordStar. Eeewwwwwwwww. I'm not a fan of Word Perfect, but I'd take that over WordStar any day! Dang, I guess I outted myself as kind of old too, huh? :P
Etienne

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Re: Preferred writing tool
Posted: Jan 13, 2018 7:13 AM   in response to: Dave Casey in response to: Dave Casey
 
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Dave Casey wrote:
Patrick A. Smith wrote:
Notjohn wrote:
I've been using WordStar since 1982 and will never give it up.
That one I've never heard of.

It was popular back in the early to mid 80's. It was Word Perfect's chief competitor. I didn't know they even still made it. I thought it had gone the way of Lotus spreadsheets.

Edit: Okay, having gone and looked it up on Wikipedia, I find it is NO longer being developed. It died back in the 90's. Makes me feel really old because I learned word processing on it and Word Perfect back in the 80's, in my mid-20's. Gawd, I'm getting old!


The history of word processing is an interesting one. Wang Computer Co once dominated that market with a stand alone computer system that did word processing. Then came the PC and a software known as Multimate, that emulated the word processing software on the Wang.

WordPerfect began in the 80s, and eventually dominated the market. Then Bill Gates began requiring PC manufacturers to bundle MS Office, including Excel and Word with all computers sold, and voila - MS Word gained market share. Not because it was better, because arguably, it is not, but because it was free.

The current version of WordPerfect is backward compatible with earlier versions - that is, it can read the files generated by those versions.
The arrogance of Microsoft is such that the current version of MS Word is not backward compatible. Word 2010 out of the box will not read a file created in Word 97. You have to get an additional bit of software for that. It's free, but it is an add-on.

FWIW, I just checked and found that if I desire, I can actually save a WordPerfect document in any one of several WordStar formats.
Joseph M Erhardt

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Re: Preferred writing tool
Posted: Jan 13, 2018 7:40 AM   in response to: David Dyer in response to: David Dyer
 
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My preferred writing tool? Hammer and chisel. For cuneiform 12-point bold italic.

@Etienne: You mentioned WordStar??? Bless you! :)
Patrick A. Smith

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Re: Preferred writing tool
Posted: Jan 13, 2018 2:42 PM   in response to: Etienne in response to: Etienne
 
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Etienne wrote:
Dave Casey wrote:
Patrick A. Smith wrote:
Notjohn wrote:
I've been using WordStar since 1982 and will never give it up.
That one I've never heard of.

It was popular back in the early to mid 80's. It was Word Perfect's chief competitor. I didn't know they even still made it. I thought it had gone the way of Lotus spreadsheets.

Edit: Okay, having gone and looked it up on Wikipedia, I find it is NO longer being developed. It died back in the 90's. Makes me feel really old because I learned word processing on it and Word Perfect back in the 80's, in my mid-20's. Gawd, I'm getting old!

The history of word processing is an interesting one. Wang Computer Co once dominated that market with a stand alone computer system that did word processing. Then came the PC and a software known as Multimate, that emulated the word processing software on the Wang.

WordPerfect began in the 80s, and eventually dominated the market. Then Bill Gates began requiring PC manufacturers to bundle MS Office, including Excel and Word with all computers sold, and voila - MS Word gained market share. Not because it was better, because arguably, it is not, but because it was free.

The current version of WordPerfect is backward compatible with earlier versions - that is, it can read the files generated by those versions.
The arrogance of Microsoft is such that the current version of MS Word is not backward compatible. Word 2010 out of the box will not read a file created in Word 97. You have to get an additional bit of software for that. It's free, but it is an add-on.

In have Word 2016 on one PC, 2010 on another and 2000 on another. I can read my stuff in them all.
Etienne

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Re: Preferred writing tool
Posted: Jan 13, 2018 4:49 PM   in response to: Patrick A. Smith in response to: Patrick A. Smith
 
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Sounds like Bill Gates and co finally wised up.
Monique

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Re: Preferred writing tool
Posted: Jan 13, 2018 7:17 PM   in response to: David Dyer in response to: David Dyer
 
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I use Word 2013, on my desktop.
booknookbiz

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Re: Preferred writing tool
Posted: Jan 14, 2018 12:44 AM   in response to: Etienne in response to: Etienne
 
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Etienne wrote:
Dave Casey wrote:
Patrick A. Smith wrote:
Notjohn wrote:
I've been using WordStar since 1982 and will never give it up.
That one I've never heard of.

It was popular back in the early to mid 80's. It was Word Perfect's chief competitor. I didn't know they even still made it. I thought it had gone the way of Lotus spreadsheets.

Edit: Okay, having gone and looked it up on Wikipedia, I find it is NO longer being developed. It died back in the 90's. Makes me feel really old because I learned word processing on it and Word Perfect back in the 80's, in my mid-20's. Gawd, I'm getting old!

The history of word processing is an interesting one. Wang Computer Co once dominated that market with a stand alone computer system that did word processing. Then came the PC and a software known as Multimate, that emulated the word processing software on the Wang.

WordPerfect began in the 80s, and eventually dominated the market. Then Bill Gates began requiring PC manufacturers to bundle MS Office, including Excel and Word with all computers sold, and voila - MS Word gained market share. Not because it was better, because arguably, it is not, but because it was free.

The current version of WordPerfect is backward compatible with earlier versions - that is, it can read the files generated by those versions.
The arrogance of Microsoft is such that the current version of MS Word is not backward compatible. Word 2010 out of the box will not read a file created in Word 97. You have to get an additional bit of software for that. It's free, but it is an add-on.

FWIW, I just checked and found that if I desire, I can actually save a WordPerfect document in any one of several WordStar formats.

You forgot IBM's dominance of that market for a while with the standalone OS/6 "device," for lack of a better word. This was functional in 1977-8-9, and was a predecessor to the Wang box, Wordstar, etc.

I would agree that in terms of a pure word processor, WordPerfect is, simply, the best. It's head and shoulders above the rest. However, Word--as frustrating as it is for WordPerfect-trained users--has come leaps and bounds. If you persist in using Word, expecting it to function like WP, you'll pull your hair out. But MS has done great things with Word, and its Document Pane, Outline function, etc., are spiffy.

After those two, the rest are true "also-rans." Even Atlantis WP, OO, LO, yadda. I freely admit that for a lot of years, I was with Etienne; it was WP or die. However, as I was consulting independently at the time, with RE Developers and legal firms, eventually, I had to bite the bullet and force myself to truly LEARN and use Word. I, too, fought it for ages, expecting it to work like WP...but after I finally took a few tutorials online at MS, and saw the light--came to understand how MS implemented the things/functions I was seeking--I realized that Word wasn't remotely as awful as I'd thought it was, and I still primarily use it to this day. Naturally, in the ebook biz, WP is only pulled out very, very rarely; it's Word, day-in, day-out.

I would disagree, Etienne, that Word gained all that ground just because it was bundled. Sure, that played into it; but the reality is, as I'm sure you know, most users cannot be bothered to learn what's under the hood. I knew MANY WP users that NEVER used "reveal codes." Ever. Those people happily embraced Word, because not only was it not integal to the use, it was positvely discouraged (in the beginning). Believe me, I spend a silly amount of time each month, trying to show/instruct clients about seeing pilcrows, spaces, tabs, etc., in Word, and I don't think that one out of 100 ever uses that again. It's the same reason that Macs are popular, in many circles--because "it just works" and the user doesn't have to think about pesky things like properties, settings, file associations, etc. You know? Some people want to dig in, and learn how something works; others will learn the right sequence of buttons/keys to push, to do X--but that's all they'll do. Word's appeal is heavily skewed toward the button-pushers; WordPerfect is heavily skewed toward those that want to see the part of the iceberg that is below the waterline.

I learned on an IBM OS/6; and man, I remember everything thinking that that was the ACME of computing/word-processing, LOL.

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Gary O'Riley

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Re: Preferred writing tool
Posted: Jan 14, 2018 2:38 AM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
 
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It's certainly true that many people trying their hand at creative writing the first time, can find Word rather frustrating. After all, Word and Windows Office are primarily aimed at a business office environment. If you've never had an office job, it can be rather daunting to be plunged into MS Word. For the many years I've been self-employed I only occasionally used Word for business letters and email attachments. But creative writing involves a word count of thousands and tens of thousands of words. It's obvious from some threads on here that some newbie self-pubbers have probably never fired-up Word before. A gentle introduction is advisable before launching into a hundred thousand word magnum opus.
C. Gold

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Re: Preferred writing tool
Posted: Jan 14, 2018 4:09 AM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
 
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I developed a deep hatred of Word Perfect after having to teach a Mac class on SIMPLE documents and people couldn't wrap their heads around reveal codes to diagnose why their document had such horrid formatting. I wanted to rip my hair out. Normally I like knowing what goes on under the hood, but Word's complete encapsulation of paragraph and character formatting into an invisible 'it just works' lets a person create a document where they highlight, don't like that, underline it, change their mind, and go with italics, then insert characters that just 'do the right thing' rather than the mess that would cause in Word Perfect. If I could have harmed a software program, Word Perfect would have been lying in a pool of blood. :P
writerbn

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Re: Preferred writing tool
Posted: Jan 14, 2018 5:16 AM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
 
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WordPerfect's "reveal codes" actually made it very easy for me to grasp the concept of HTML, back in the day.
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