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Hannah Fullbrook

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Printing costs and republishing
Posted: Jan 20, 2018 12:19 PM
 
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Hello,
I've just published and bought my own book - I didn't realise how big it would be (went with the first option!) and now realise why the costs were so high!
Is it cheaper to unpublish the book and republish with a smaller print? It's a minimum cost of £7.49 - with 39p loyalty! - with the current size.

Also, if I republish, do I have to change the name?
Many thanks!
Joseph M Erhardt

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Re: Printing costs and republishing
Posted: Jan 20, 2018 12:26 PM   in response to: Hannah Fullbrook in response to: Hannah Fullbrook
 
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If you republish and change the format significantly, you'll need a new ISBN, but both KDP Print Beta and CreateSpace can supply you one free.

How many pages is your book? If you desperately want to reduce page count, you could go to Times New Roman 11 point and not have page ejects between chapters--just leave a gap for the chapter header or title and continue on. Also, be sure you don't have both a header and footer on the page--header with page number and volume title is all that's needed. You could also go to a larger form-factor, like 6x9 inches, but some folks find anything larger than 5.5x8.5 inches feels too bulky. It all depends on your target audience.

See what others here say.
Amis

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Re: Printing costs and republishing
Posted: Jan 20, 2018 12:35 PM   in response to: Hannah Fullbrook in response to: Hannah Fullbrook
 
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First I’d recommend playing with trim and font sizes and seeing how much of a difference it actually makes. If you go to this link:

https://www.createspace.com/Products/Book/

Click on Royalties and scroll down there’s a handy chart where you can plug in those numbers. (If you used KDP for the print book I don’t know if they have something similar or not.)

I don’t know how big a type size you used but remember you need to find a balance between keeping the cost down and having a font that’s large enough for easy readability. (IMO Georgia 11pt on 13pt is a nice middle ground.)

If you decide to do it you’ll need a new ISBN but I’m pretty sure you can bring it out as different edition of the same title and unpublished the first.
Hannah Fullbrook

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Re: Printing costs and republishing
Posted: Jan 20, 2018 12:37 PM   in response to: Joseph M Erhardt in response to: Joseph M Erhardt
 
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Thank you! ]
I chose the standard 6x9 and quite agree that if feels too bulky. In 6x9 it's 370 pages long - would it actually be cheaper in 5x8 (I can't find a way of finding out other than to unpublish, set up a new one and republish)

I've also been trawling old threads and have found some comments that people have had similar problems - they've unpublished, republished as a new book with new isbn, and then left it for a few days - it's then appeared in the same amazon page as their kindle edition. Is that right?

Sorry, total newbie as you can guess!
Hannah Fullbrook

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Re: Printing costs and republishing
Posted: Jan 20, 2018 12:38 PM   in response to: Amis in response to: Amis
 
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Thank you - I've just replied below asking all of your above answers, so please ignore that!
Joseph M Erhardt

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Re: Printing costs and republishing
Posted: Jan 20, 2018 12:42 PM   in response to: Hannah Fullbrook in response to: Hannah Fullbrook
 
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Hannah Fullbrook wrote:
Thank you! ]
I chose the standard 6x9 and quite agree that if feels too bulky. In 6x9 it's 370 pages long - would it actually be cheaper in 5x8 (I can't find a way of finding out other than to unpublish, set up a new one and republish)

No. Page count is the driving price factor here. 370 pp at 6x9 is not going to go to 274 pp at 5x8. It'll probably be over 440 pp.

I've also been trawling old threads and have found some comments that people have had similar problems - they've unpublished, republished as a new book with new isbn, and then left it for a few days - it's then appeared in the same amazon page as their kindle edition. Is that right?

If title and author match, then the two editions--e-book and print book--will eventually show on the same product page. If there's a problem and the link doesn't appear in about a week, max, you can do a Contact Us at the bottom right of the screen and ask for a manual link. (Believe me, those guys & gals in support have done this a thousand times.)

Sorry, total newbie as you can guess!

What? We don't allow newbies! Nobody here was ever a newbie! Who told you you could play here? (Just kidding, of course.) :)
Notjohn

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Re: Printing costs and republishing
Posted: Jan 20, 2018 2:42 PM   in response to: Hannah Fullbrook in response to: Hannah Fullbrook
 
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Hannah, use CreateSpace. Then you will know exactly what the book will cost before you publish it.

And get a physical proof copy! Costs about $7 if you live in the US. (Not practical for out-of-country publishers.)

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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Emily Veinglory

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Re: Printing costs and republishing
Posted: Jan 20, 2018 3:28 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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KDP print also tells you the costs before publishing, and the cover price you can achieve is generally lower for KDP. This happens to be one area where Createspace is not the better option.
Josef Peeters

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Re: Printing costs and republishing
Posted: Jan 20, 2018 3:30 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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And get a physical proof copy! Costs about $7 if you live in the US. (Not practical for out-of-country publishers.)

How do you figure it's not practical for us down-under type folks? A single proof copy only ends up costing around $12 AUD depending on page count(300). I manage to sell my paperbacks here for $20 AUD each, which is about double what it costs me for a bulk purchase including shipping. I might not sell as many as I would if I lived in the states, but still worthwhile.

Joe.

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MR R J LAIDLER

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Re: Printing costs and republishing
Posted: Jan 21, 2018 12:53 AM   in response to: Hannah Fullbrook in response to: Hannah Fullbrook
 
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Assuming you have used normal size font and line spacing your price sounds about right so I wouldn't fret about it. :) POD books are expensive, it's just the way things are. I suggest you set a reasonable price, my suggestion would be £9.99 which will give you a royalty of a pound or so. You can't expect much more. :)
Notjohn

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Re: Printing costs and republishing
Posted: Jan 21, 2018 2:59 AM   in response to: Amis in response to: Amis
 
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(IMO Georgia 11pt on 13pt is a nice middle ground.)

Indeed it is, especially the 13 pt. I am dismayed by the "Independently published" books I see that are solid type, that don't breathe at all.That's not how books from reputable publishers are produced. (There's also a minority of self-pubbed books that are double-spaced, sigh.)

@Hannah: 6x9 is a reasonable size for a 370-page book. The only thing to be wary of is that the gutter margin is sufficient that it can be read without breaking the binding. POD books don't lay as flat as oldfashioned ones with stitched signatures. My paperback of Infinite Jest is 1078 pages, and it is easily read (well, I've never gotten very far with it, but it does open easily). You won't get that with a POD book.

If you give us the ASIN, we could give more intelligent opinions.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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Gary O'Riley

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Re: Printing costs and republishing
Posted: Jan 21, 2018 4:39 AM   in response to: Hannah Fullbrook in response to: Hannah Fullbrook
 
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Hannah Fullbrook wrote:
Thank you! ]
I chose the standard 6x9 and quite agree that if feels too bulky. In 6x9 it's 370 pages long -

I''ll never understand why Amazon insist on peddling the lie that 6x9 is the usual, standard, and most common trim size. It's simply not true, go to any book shop and look at the paperbacks.
Gary O'Riley

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Re: Printing costs and republishing
Posted: Jan 21, 2018 4:43 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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Notjohn wrote:
(IMO Georgia 11pt on 13pt is a nice middle ground.)

Indeed it is, especially the 13 pt. I am dismayed by the "Independently published" books I see that are solid type, that don't breathe at all.That's not how books from reputable publishers are produced. (There's also a minority of self-pubbed books that are double-spaced, sigh.)


"don't breathe"....!

You're starting to get desperate in your ongoing campaign against KDP Print.
MR R J LAIDLER

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Re: Printing costs and republishing
Posted: Jan 21, 2018 5:07 AM   in response to: Gary O'Riley in response to: Gary O'Riley
 
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Gary O'Riley wrote:
Notjohn wrote:
(IMO Georgia 11pt on 13pt is a nice middle ground.)

Indeed it is, especially the 13 pt. I am dismayed by the "Independently published" books I see that are solid type, that don't breathe at all.That's not how books from reputable publishers are produced. (There's also a minority of self-pubbed books that are double-spaced, sigh.)

"don't breathe"....!

You're starting to get desperate in your ongoing campaign against KDP Print.

:)
Amis

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Re: Printing costs and republishing
Posted: Jan 21, 2018 10:59 AM   in response to: Gary O'Riley in response to: Gary O'Riley
 
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Gary O'Riley wrote:
Notjohn wrote:
(IMO Georgia 11pt on 13pt is a nice middle ground.)

Indeed it is, especially the 13 pt. I am dismayed by the "Independently published" books I see that are solid type, that don't breathe at all.That's not how books from reputable publishers are produced. (There's also a minority of self-pubbed books that are double-spaced, sigh.)

"don't breathe"....!

You're starting to get desperate in your ongoing campaign against KDP Print.


Giving the type room to breath isn't a KDP vs. CS issue. In both systems the pages are going to look like what you give them.
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