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resteasy

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Re: There was a time
Posted: Jan 21, 2018 4:48 PM   in response to: Jackie Weger in response to: Jackie Weger
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Jackie Weger wrote:
I do network with best selling authors. We often promote together. But! They don't visit this forum.

Why don't they visit this forum? Perhaps you could persuade them to do so. They could offer valuable advice. I think this forum is overall civil compared to some of them I've come across. Nastiness is not acceptable, but lively debate amongst good advice is the stuff of life. Forums would be dreary without it. Just a learned, crusty institution.
C. Gold

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Re: There was a time
Posted: Jan 22, 2018 7:38 AM   in response to: resteasy in response to: resteasy
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To be quite honest, why would they visit this forum which is unmoderated and has a slew of spam that has to regularly get nuked by us? I'm sticking it out because I want to help, but I much prefer hanging out in the Writers' Cafe on kboards which does have several best selling authors posting (and not just claiming they are best selling). I've had a few fan moments when an author I love posts and I realize OMG, It's Kate Danley! (that was the latest one). There are also editors, cover designers, and book formatters lurking and posting in the mix, so it's really easy to find services you need or get info on sales.

I feel like kboards is where people go when they become serious about writing as a business.
Mary Peebels

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Re: There was a time
Posted: Jan 22, 2018 10:48 AM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
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C. Gold wrote:
To be quite honest, why would they visit this forum which is unmoderated and has a slew of spam that has to regularly get nuked by us? I'm sticking it out because I want to help, but I much prefer hanging out in the Writers' Cafe on kboards which does have several best selling authors posting (and not just claiming they are best selling). I've had a few fan moments when an author I love posts and I realize OMG, It's Kate Danley! (that was the latest one). There are also editors, cover designers, and book formatters lurking and posting in the mix, so it's really easy to find services you need or get info on sales.

I feel like kboards is where people go when they become serious about writing as a business.


I checked out kboards a couple of times and came away with the impression that they want authors who've sold hundreds of thousands of books and have a lot of reviews. I've sold about 1,600 of my first book, but I'm barely reaching 200 with my second one, and my readers seem reluctant to leave reviews. So I've felt like I wouldn't fit in over there.
C. Gold

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Re: There was a time
Posted: Jan 22, 2018 1:07 PM   in response to: Mary Peebels in response to: Mary Peebels
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Oh there are several of us prawns, plankton, and algae on the forums. We mostly read about what the more experienced authors are doing, but many of us chip in or ask questions. Even if you never post, it's a great resource.
Mary Peebels

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Re: There was a time
Posted: Jan 22, 2018 1:12 PM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
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C. Gold wrote:
Oh there are several of us prawns, plankton, and algae on the forums. We mostly read about what the more experienced authors are doing, but many of us chip in or ask questions. Even if you never post, it's a great resource.

Haha!

Then I might join eventually, as an alga. :)
resteasy

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Re: There was a time
Posted: Jan 22, 2018 5:01 PM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
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C. Gold wrote:
Oh there are several of us prawns, plankton, and algae on the forums. We mostly read about what the more experienced authors are doing, but many of us chip in or ask questions. Even if you never post, it's a great resource.

Sounds a bit exclusive. As the great wag Grouch Marx said: I don’t care to belong to any club that will have me as a member.
Salamander Mall...

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Re: There was a time
Posted: Jan 23, 2018 6:55 AM   in response to: Stephanie Laroc... in response to: Stephanie Laroc...
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There never was a time. Golden Ages are delusions of current generations.
Duane Dingle

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Re: There was a time
Posted: Jan 23, 2018 8:30 AM   in response to: Stephanie Laroc... in response to: Stephanie Laroc...
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Well said. I'm sure thousands of successful and not so successful authors come in here and leave with an eye roll since the few members that do post to offer sincere advice are usually smothered by the many that regularly post to attack. Sad, but it takes away any credibility this forum might have had, and certainly puts indie authors in a bad light. But I have to admit that this forum does fascinate me in a morbid way much as a traffic accident does. It amazes me regarding how many members think of themselves as the forum police/judges, lashing out at the thread's creator for not only asking a question but also for their perceived reason for the the poster's question. Many times they'll lash out at a newbie's thread for plugging their works or service while a few other members are obviously and constantly posting only TO plug their books or services.

But this forum has saved me money. A while back before my first book was completed, I was considering using a specific company for two services but when I did a google search on them, I found they had often posted on this site as a way to market themselves. That destroyed any credibility they might have had with me, and I'm sure had saved me from wasting money.

There are a lot of helpful members on here, but there are or seem to be many more on here looking to vent their frustrations, which seems to be because of their sales, making it appear more like a forum for failed writers.
acornwriter

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Re: There was a time
Posted: Jan 23, 2018 9:56 AM   in response to: Duane Dingle in response to: Duane Dingle
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There are a lot of helpful members on here, but there are or seem to be many more on here looking to vent their frustrations, which seems to be because of their sales, making it appear more like a forum for failed writers.

Lol. Welcome to the Amazon Author's Community. We have a lot of fun here.
resteasy

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Re: There was a time
Posted: Jan 23, 2018 4:47 PM   in response to: Duane Dingle in response to: Duane Dingle
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Duane Dingle wrote:

There are a lot of helpful members on here, but there are or seem to be many more on here looking to vent their frustrations, which seems to be because of their sales, making it appear more like a forum for failed writers.


You're right about 'seem and seems to be'. We tend to see what we want to see, which doesn't always tally with reality.
Duane Dingle

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Re: There was a time
Posted: Jan 23, 2018 6:29 PM   in response to: resteasy in response to: resteasy
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resteasy wrote:
Duane Dingle wrote:

There are a lot of helpful members on here, but there are or seem to be many more on here looking to vent their frustrations, which seems to be because of their sales, making it appear more like a forum for failed writers.

You're right about 'seem and seems to be'. We tend to see what we want to see, which doesn't always tally with reality.

Until it's constantly proven to be the reality; at which point we have to accept it (in my case be fascinated by it) or change it. Reality really isn't that difficult to grasp for most healthy minds and especially for those who simply read the posts while offering little to none in return, but it seems to be a problem to grasp for members who post with some unhealthy emotional attachment and "seem" to mix reality with fantasy, even looking at members as their friends.

What fascinates me the most is that It doesn't take much effort to be polite, to be generally nice, but some members tend to make it seem darn impossible, but then again, I think it has to do with their unhealthy use of the forum for social interaction and maybe even some social status fantasy, or just posting rude comments because someone on the forum may read them where those around them won't bother listening to them anymore, or, in the case of those posting as a means of peddling services and books, a way of increasing their fantasy customer base.
karolyn1

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Re: There was a time
Posted: Jan 24, 2018 8:27 AM   in response to: Stephanie Laroc... in response to: Stephanie Laroc...
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I totally agree. I ducked out of here a while ago when I detected what smelled faintly like 'angst' and 'self-loathing' emanating from some of these authors on here. You shouldn't take yourself too seriously or think you are all-knowing and beyond criticism.
New authors come here to get advise from people who could share more than snarky comments and ridicule. I decided forums weren't my forte and read more posts than I engage, but this was irresistible. I think some of these so-called experts need to
quit playing king-of-the-hill in here and get over themselves.
C. Gold

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Re: There was a time
Posted: Jan 24, 2018 1:29 PM   in response to: karolyn1 in response to: karolyn1
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If the nicer people stuck around, the forum wouldn't seem so negative unless the negative people stepped up their game. Which is a possibility. All forums have issues with people biting one another. Other forums have the advantage of a moderator who can nip those blasts in the bud before they pollute the forum. Unfortunately, there's no moderation here by an assigned person. Each of us has the power to make someone's post go away. Great for dealing with spam. Not so great when someone gets targeted by another because they don't like what they said, even if it wasn't offensive.
Patrick A. Smith

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Re: There was a time
Posted: Jan 27, 2018 2:12 AM   in response to: Stephanie Laroc... in response to: Stephanie Laroc...
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Stephanie Larochelle wrote:
There was a time you used to be able to come to this community and find out how to sell more books. You plugged in your title and people responded, sometimes nice, sometimes not. But they gave good advice and the people that gave it? They were best selling authors that actually had something to say.

Anyone remember Collen Hoover? Yeah, she used to spend some time here. That was until a bunch of pretentious douches who decided they owned this community ran her out of it. Yes, we had an NYT bestselling author right here, in this forum, willing to give advice –and she got run out.


Have no idea who she is, but I didnt run her out. There's a lot of good ppl here, but in any group, anywhere, some can get pretty blunt, and sometimes, they need to be. I give help to ppl when I can and i like reading here because otherwise, i have no one to talk to about books.

As for best selling Aut hors, they are no better than anyone else. Just because someone can pay their way into being read by fake paid reviews, doesn't mean they are any better than you or I. Ppl read what they're told to read!

While I'm nowhere near a best selling writer, I sell lots of books, and I don't run anyone off. I notice you started this, but for some reason you've disappeared...???

Because that’s what this forum has turned into. The people that run it aren’t bestselling authors. They’re just the people with the most time on their hands. We sit around, waiting for some dude from India to post a shitty book – then we rip them apart. That’s what KDP is now. It’s a place for slightly better failures to rip apart up and coming failures.

I do not knock anyone, so please don't say "we". I do, however, expect writers to at least read the k d p. Instructions!!! Duh! I think we were all taught to read instructions at an early age!

It’s no longer a place to learn. It's just a place for those who think they’ve ‘learned more’ to feel superior when really, they haven’t learned anything at all, except how important they feel as they give advice about something they know nothing about.

I beg your pardon.. I learn something, from everyone who posts here... If only what I don't want to do, such as wrap everyone besides myself into one category.

And seriously, we're all humans... I thank everyone on here for taking out of their time to post on here. And BTW, i don't know of any best selling author other than a select few, who writes any better than many Indies. We just don't have the money to pay big entities and other public ppl to promote us.
Patrick A. Smith

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Re: There was a time
Posted: Jan 27, 2018 2:35 AM   in response to: acornwriter in response to: acornwriter
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acornwriter wrote:
There are a lot of helpful members on here, but there are or seem to be many more on here looking to vent their frustrations, which seems to be because of their sales, making it appear more like a forum for failed writers.

Lol. Welcome to the Amazon Author's Community. We have a lot of fun here.


Yes we do! I'm thankful to God and our plat form, for a chance to fulfill my dreams of being publ ished! Years ago, i won nine writing contests, but no chance of being noted by a big trad age' nt, who only has a position, and could say no to someone trying to get started!

Good books are like good food or art. Its all in the eye of the reader. And fwiw, i watch the best seller lists, and rarely ever find anything I'd spend money for. I do, however, buy some indie books.

I'm not going to buy something that doesn't grab my attention on the first few pages, and most trad pbd books I look at can't hold a light to many Indies. I'm not, repeat not, going to buy a book just because it has glowing reviews, and thanks to some of you posters, I've learned how to spot f a k e reviews.
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