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tracihilton

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Re: Gatekeepers
Posted: Apr 22, 2012 2:43 PM   in response to: lins777 in response to: lins777
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I think Amazon will be fine. I think it may well become difficult for a writer to make a living from Amazon in the future.

Of course, it has always been difficult for a writer to make a living so I guess it's not really news. ; P

Traci
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Re: Gatekeepers
Posted: Apr 22, 2012 2:46 PM   in response to: lins777 in response to: lins777
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Also, some of their authors are jumping ship, realizing they can make more money without them.
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 2:47 PM   in response to: daysoldier in response to: daysoldier
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I agree.
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 2:52 PM   in response to: robethpublishin... in response to: robethpublishin...
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yes, and when you look at what gets taken from an author..ie; pub costs, agency fees at approx 15/20 percent, plus advertising, travel, etc...

What was the name of this thread? lol... Should have been wisdom prevails.
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 2:53 PM   in response to: robethpublishin... in response to: robethpublishin...
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As for the fake reviews bringing down the ship - Not only does daysoldier make several good points, especially about the longstanding practice of fake reviews within the industry – I think INDI writers are wasting their time soliciting fake reviews, or swapping bogus reviews.

The only way you are going to make money at this (IMO) is to keep writing, and develop a fan base. If you get a reader to buy a book based on a bogus review, and the reader dislikes your book, he is not going to buy your other books. He might even return the one book, and get a refund.

The key is to build a fan base. Fake reviews aren’t going to chase readers from Amazon – but fake reviews aren’t going to help you build a fan base.
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Re: Gatekeepers
Posted: Apr 22, 2012 2:55 PM   in response to: robethpublishin... in response to: robethpublishin...
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[i]The only way you are going to make money at this (IMO) is to keep writing, and develop a fan base. [/i

Amen and amen. Truth.
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 3:01 PM   in response to: lins777 in response to: lins777
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<What was the name of this thread? lol... Should have been wisdom prevails.>

For me the thread title should be....A place to spend Sunday when the temp is over 100 degrees outside, the pool isn't warm enough yet, the car air is broken and it isn't possible to get serious writing done when other family members are home! LOL
tracihilton

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Re: Gatekeepers
Posted: Apr 22, 2012 3:03 PM   in response to: robethpublishin... in response to: robethpublishin...
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lol. That's about it. Lazy hot unmotivated Sunday; (Of course this is Portland hot I'm talking about...around 75, lol)
lins777

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Re: Gatekeepers
Posted: Apr 22, 2012 3:05 PM   in response to: robethpublishin... in response to: robethpublishin...
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Stop boasting...we're shivvering here in 6 dg c and it's mid April? Not nice, not comfy and not conducive to being happy. Thank God for the forum...
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Re: Gatekeepers
Posted: Apr 22, 2012 3:11 PM   in response to: tracihilton in response to: tracihilton
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I think as with every area that deals with creativity, there have always been gatekeepers. The world and economics has always worked this way. There were gatekeepers when the great artists of the Renaissance painted their masterpieces, there have been gatekeepers for nearly every version of the bible that was ever printed. Even the King James had it's detractors because new ideas are always a challenge to those who hold power.

We're not dealing with anything new here, it just affects us and our dreams. Good writing, as others have said, will rise to the top, as will many of you here on this forum.

BT
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Re: Gatekeepers
Posted: Apr 22, 2012 3:15 PM   in response to: tracihilton in response to: tracihilton
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What scares or upsets me the most is the numbers of "small publishers" and "small agents" that cropped up all over to HELP the poor author get it right....not just offering editing services and cover art services but putting your books up for you and doing all the marketng and holding your books hostage so far as your dashboard goes. Oh so many of them are far worse than any complaining gatekeepers. They are literally robbing unsuspecting authors.

Rob Walker
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 3:19 PM   in response to: inkwalk2 in response to: inkwalk2
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You really hit this one on the head Rob. These are the people I mean. An editor recently blogged that from now on her indy clients have to let her publish their work for them because otherwise they will screw it up and ruin her good name.

Traci
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Re: Gatekeepers
Posted: Apr 22, 2012 3:26 PM   in response to: inkwalk2 in response to: inkwalk2
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You have a point there.

I have a friend who asked me about self publishing her daughter's book. I suggested she spend the money to have it professionally edited.

Instead they went to a vanity publisher - spent a nice chunk of cash - and not sure how good the editor was, because I read the reviews on the book, and one really blasted her basic writing, as if the book had not been edited.

Her eBook sells for $8 - which seems a little hefty for a new author with only one title.
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Re: Gatekeepers
Posted: Apr 22, 2012 3:38 PM   in response to: tracihilton in response to: tracihilton
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Jeeeez, I have not worn underwear since a bad experience back in 1964. So I guess that leaves me out.
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Re: Gatekeepers
Posted: Apr 22, 2012 4:38 PM   in response to: tracihilton in response to: tracihilton
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Well, well, well. What happens when you leave the forums to get a little work done on a WIP. Traci: I originally asked you where they were, it looks like you found them.

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