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sam mccoll

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selling non CS paperbacks through AMZ.
Posted: Jan 31, 2018 4:29 AM
 
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I'm about to have 1000 paperbacks of 351 pages, printed for 90p a copy through The Books Factory. My novel is very slightly smaller physically than the CS option and the quality is excellent. Does anyone know anything about selling paperbacks (non CS) on Amazon or other outlets? (the ebook will be retailed on Amazon and all the other usual platforms). I've looked through the FAQ on Amazon and come up with nothing. Also interested in distribution options. I'm assuming I could do it myself through Amazon. Each copy will cost £2.99 to send via Royal Mail. Anyone have experience of going down this route? It seems to make financial sense as I believe I'd be paying CS over £4 a book. I can give away 600 copies before my paperback will cost that and I will be doing a lot of readings, so can discount to get things moving. Thanks everyone. :'(
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Posted: Jan 31, 2018 4:54 AM   in response to: MR R J LAIDLER in response to: MR R J LAIDLER
 
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Ah thanks.
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Posted: Jan 31, 2018 4:57 AM   in response to: sam mccoll in response to: sam mccoll
 
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I added a link to the post and it went to moderation, hilarious as it was a link to the 'zons own website. Just Google "selling on Amazon uk"
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Posted: Jan 31, 2018 5:02 AM   in response to: sam mccoll in response to: sam mccoll
 
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does that mean it can't be sold on the same page as my ebook in the usual way? sorry to be ignorant!
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Posted: Jan 31, 2018 6:58 AM   in response to: sam mccoll in response to: sam mccoll
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I'm in the US, selling books that were printed before KDP or CreateSpace even existed. I've got an Amazon Advantage account, which costs $99 a year (though I haven't been billed yet). Amazon tells me when they need a copy, and I send it to them, and they sell it to the customer. They keep 60% of the cover price, and I pay the shipping to send the books from my garage to them. I doubt I will make much, but I can't bear to see those books pulped.

There's also Amazon Marketplace, where you yourself ship the books to buyers. This costs $30 or $40 a month, plus you pay a fee to Amazon for each sale. This is what the third-party sellers are who you see on your product page, "new & used copies available from these sellers." One of the downsides of Marketplace is that you're supposed to ship within 24 hours, which makes things tricky if you ever go out of town, unless you take inventory with you.

You can google these programs to learn more about them. I'm sure there are UK equivalents.
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Posted: Jan 31, 2018 7:17 AM   in response to: cdalebrittain in response to: cdalebrittain
 
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Cheers for this. If you choose the first option which is $99 a year - do you still have to send Amazon the book within 24hrs or do they keep one in stock which you are replacing.... having 1000 printed for £1 a copy still makes it worthwhile I think - CS is 4.64 a copy - but I doubt I'll get rich!
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Posted: Jan 31, 2018 7:21 AM   in response to: sam mccoll in response to: sam mccoll
 
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Oh - and does you Amazon Advantage Account work in the same way, re searching for a book on Amazon if you are a buyer?
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Posted: Jan 31, 2018 7:50 AM   in response to: sam mccoll in response to: sam mccoll
 
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For Amazon Advantage, the buyer just sees that Amazon themselves is selling the book. The buyer has no idea where Amazon got it. Amazon keeps at least 1 copy on hand, and they give you a week or 10 days to get them another copy when they want it.

You would probably want to unpublish the CS version if you set up an Advantage account. You may be overly optimistic in ordering 1000 copies. That many books take up a whole lot of space. And how are your sales? Unless you're selling dozens a month, it's going to take you an awful long time to move them all. Good luck!
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Posted: Jan 31, 2018 1:13 PM   in response to: cdalebrittain in response to: cdalebrittain
 
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There's also Amazon Marketplace, where you yourself ship the books to buyers. This costs $30 or $40 a month, plus you pay a fee to Amazon for each sale.

Dale, there's no charge for Amazon Marketplace. I have most of my print books listed there, offering a signed copy for the retail price. I sell a few, but no way would I be doing this if I had to pay $30/month!

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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Posted: Jan 31, 2018 1:17 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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Interesting. When I checked into it last summer, I remember it was $39 a month. It may be because you've been in it awhile that you aren't charged.
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Posted: Jan 31, 2018 5:43 PM   in response to: cdalebrittain in response to: cdalebrittain
 
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cdalebrittain wrote:
Interesting. When I checked into it last summer, I remember it was $39 a month. It may be because you've been in it awhile that you aren't charged.

If he's warehousing the books himself, in a spare bedroom, sending them out himself, then he doesn't get charged for the Amazon warehousing fee. I used to have a lot of used books that were in the FBA program, but when Amazon went to a warehousing fee, I took them out. I just send them out myself now. I assume that Amazon Marketplace and FBA are the same thing.

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Posted: Jan 31, 2018 5:46 PM   in response to: sam mccoll in response to: sam mccoll
 
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Simply create a CS page for your paperback, get it linked to the ebook page and then list yourself as a third party seller of the paperback. Keep the books in your garage and mail one out whenever an order comes in.

Oh, and five years from now when you still have 975 books in your garage, you'll know to never make that mistake again.

Edit: By the way, The Books Factory appears to be what we call a "vanity press." You might want to look that up and see what kind of wonderful things you find out about it.
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Posted: Feb 1, 2018 5:16 AM   in response to: cdalebrittain in response to: cdalebrittain
 
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It may be because you've been in it awhile that you aren't charged.

That would be the warmhearted thing to do. Alas, Amazon is not warmhearted.

Jeff Bezos is most famous for warning American retailers: "Your margin is my opportunity." Remember that before signing up for Kindle Select, because in the case of self-publishers, the warning reads: "Your royalty is my opportunity." I'm sure he can't wait for the day he can enforce the 35 percent royalty again, before Apple broke the mold (and got a big bite taken out of it, for its pains).

I'm sure that a fee will be levied upon Marketplace sellers in time. I'm equally sure that I will stop selling on Amazon when that time comes. It's not a very lucrative business, and it is a dodgy issue when it comes to the Internal Revenue Service. I figure I lose money overall (because I also sell books I bought for $25 at half or one-third the price I paid for them), but I wouldn't relish the task of proving it to Donna down at the IRS office in the strip mall.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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Re: selling non CS paperbacks through AMZ.
Posted: Feb 1, 2018 5:53 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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Hi. The Books Factory just print books, pamphlets, bookmarks etc. They don't do artwork or anything else. I thought a vanity pess offered a full service. Cheers.
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Posted: Feb 1, 2018 6:01 AM   in response to: sam mccoll in response to: sam mccoll
 
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I've been looking at Amazon advantage. Apparently you put a price on your book - they pay you a percentage of that price. (percentage not stated). But they can sell it for any price they choose. I've asked them about this. Presumably I may price low to sell more books, but then Amazon could price high. So they pay me a low percentage but sell few books because they've priced high.... can this be the case? Seems very weird, unless they sell low - but that's not in info or the FAQs...

You pay £25 at the start. Then a yearly fee, but they don't say how much that is in the blurb. I have also asked about this.... why don't they just say.... grr
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