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George Garrigues

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Frontispiece
Posted: Feb 3, 2018 1:22 PM
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Has anybody ever seen a frontispiece being used in an ebook? The idea being to get a particularly striking introduction into the "Look Inside" feature? Thanks.
Diana Persaud

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Posted: Feb 3, 2018 1:45 PM   in response to: George Garrigues in response to: George Garrigues
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I had to look it up.

No, I've never seen one in an ebook but I have seen them in older books (50s/60s) for specific genres.

I don't think it will help, as the Zon will probably start your book at Ch 1 text and ignore the image. I suppose you can test it and see if they allow the image to show.
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Posted: Feb 3, 2018 2:34 PM   in response to: George Garrigues in response to: George Garrigues
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If the image is literally a frontispiece -- i.e., one that appears as the first thing in a book -- almost always it will be suppressed by Amazon, because the software thinks you have included a cover in your uploaded book. Because KDP expects the cover to be separately uploaded as the Product Image, it will step on any image that seems to compete with it.

You can probably succeed by putting the frontispiece after the title page and before page one, chapter one, but as others have posted, the Look Inside sample will probably skip over it.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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William Thompson

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Re: Frontispiece
Posted: Feb 3, 2018 2:45 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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As Notjohn says. Another alternative would be to put your large image as a smaller thumbnail above the TOC heading on your TOC page. I've seen Kindle ebooks produced by professional formatters that have this sort of styling and I think that it's effective and quite eye-catching.

Why not try my free Sigil plugins now available on MobileRead?

ZoteroNotesImport - Imports Zotero endnotes into epubs

ZoteroRefsImport - Imports Zotero references and creates a new bibliography section in epubs

MendeleyXMLImport - Imports Mendeley references or endnotes into epubs

You can download all these free plugins from The Sigil Plugin Index on the MR Forum

George Garrigues

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Re: Frontispiece
Posted: Feb 3, 2018 6:50 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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Thanks, NJ.

You gave the same advice in November 2012 (I found it).

I found this elsewhere:

"Frontispiece: This is very traditional, and it is an illustration designed to be on the left-hand page facing the Title Page for the print edition. This should not be the cover. A frontispiece works great for eBooks too if you have an interesting illustration that wasn’t used on the cover. We recommend placing it after the Title Page."

http://bbebooksthailand.com/blog/best-practices-frontmatter-order.html
George Garrigues

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Re: Frontispiece
Posted: Feb 3, 2018 6:55 PM   in response to: William Thompson in response to: William Thompson
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I'm not sure why I couldn't put the image after the title page along with some text. Kind of like a forward, although it would be a frontispiece. Why would that raise the suspicions of any bot? (It's in color.)
George Garrigues

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Re: Frontispiece
Posted: Feb 5, 2018 9:13 PM   in response to: George Garrigues in response to: George Garrigues
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Still waiting for an answer as to why this can't be done.
Ralph E Vaughan

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Re: Frontispiece
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 4:58 AM   in response to: George Garrigues in response to: George Garrigues
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George Garrigues wrote:
Still waiting for an answer as to why this can't be done.

You're the publisher. If you want to do it, do it. However, would the reader interpret it as a frontspiece or even see it? It wouldn't be opposite the title page and the start-reading point would probably skip it, along with the other non-text material. As the publisher, it's up to you to design your book, whether print or digital. If you want to incorporate such a design element into your e-book and know how to format illos to fill the screen, go ahead.
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Posted: Feb 6, 2018 6:31 AM   in response to: George Garrigues in response to: George Garrigues
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George Garrigues wrote:
Still waiting for an answer as to why this can't be done.
You can do it, as Ralph said, but it won't matter. The SRL will be set to open at Chapter One, page one.
Notjohn

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Posted: Feb 6, 2018 8:47 AM   in response to: George Garrigues in response to: George Garrigues
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I'm not sure why I couldn't put the image after the title page along with some text. Kind of like a forward, although it would be a frontispiece. Why would that raise the suspicions of any bot? (It's in color.)

Yes, no problem at all, except that the SRL will be set at page one, chapter one, so only those obsessives like me will ever see it, because we page back to start reading at the title page, just as we precede the dinner hour with the Happy Hour. Personally, I like to know who actually wrote the book!

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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Re: Frontispiece
Posted: Feb 8, 2018 4:16 AM   in response to: George Garrigues in response to: George Garrigues
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George Garrigues wrote:
I'm not sure why I couldn't put the image after the title page along with some text. Kind of like a forward, although it would be a frontispiece. Why would that raise the suspicions of any bot? (It's in color.)

Sure you could, but since it would be after the title page, it wouldn't be a frontspiece, just an interior illustration.
Dennis A Showman

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Re: Frontispiece
Posted: Feb 15, 2018 6:43 PM   in response to: George Garrigues in response to: George Garrigues
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It's really easy to do as long as you are using Calibre Editor for your editing and ebook construction. Here's how to do it using that Editor;

Get your frontispiece image adjusted and fine tuned and name it. Save it as a jpeg. Then upload it to the Editor using the 'add files' button at the upper left hand corner. Your image will be saved in the lower Images section on the left side.

Find the green cross up in the left hand corner, that's the 'make a new file'' button. Hit that and a window opens up and wants you to input a name, so use 'frontispiece' and add .html to the end of the word ending. This makes a new file. When you hit save, that new .html file will open up, 'frontispiece.html'.

Between <body and body> is where you will add your image. To do this, straight up and there is an 'add image' button right in the middle. Hit that and all the images in the 'Images' file of your ebook open up. Find the image you wanted to use as a frontispiece and right click it. It will appear between the 2 bodys and the image can be seen on the right column if all the coding is correct.

At this point you can add text if you like. This is done by my getting the mouse arrow right at the end of the image command and hitting enter. This inserts a blank space between the image and the final 'body>'

From here use the standard

and type out your text between the 'p's. Save. The new file is now positioned at the bottom of the TEXT column on the left side, which will be the end of the ebook. Using the mouse move it up on the list to the postion you want it to be seen in, like right right below the 'titlepage.html' file for example. Now it's close to the front of the ebook.

That's it.

Notjohn

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Re: Frontispiece
Posted: Feb 16, 2018 3:13 AM   in response to: Dennis A Showman in response to: Dennis A Showman
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You're the first person I've ever run across who uses Calibre Editor. (Not to be confused with Calibre, the popular and excellent library management tool.) I'm curious: why did you adopt it rather than Sigil? Is it regularly updated? What do you use for support, the Mobile Read forums, and is there one specifically for the Editor?

AND, having asked all that, the warning still stands: don't put a frontispiece in a book to upload to the KDP, because it will be suppressed because the bots will think it's an included (therefore extraneous) cover.

Putting it after the title page works, but as someone else pointed out, in that case it's not a frontispiece but merely an illustration.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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