[i]"Remember she said you all made her cry."[/i]
If you had even bothered to read the post on page 1,
she claimed to be crying with happiness that someone
responded. You'd have to read the first page to get
But anything to try and throw the rest of us under a
At any rate, she asked for honest opinions and she
did receive mostly honest responses. Some of us are
not into lying.
I'm going to chime in again, which, indubitably, I'll regret, since I'll invariably manage to piss off the Rodney King Posse ("can't we all just get along?").
It seems to me, having read this thread in its entirety, and at least 30-50 others over the course of the last six months alone, never mind the last 3 years or whatever it is now, that the only "safe" response these days to a request for "honest criticism" is to not reply at ALL.
Quite bluntly, most of the people who've asked here don't write very well. Many of them are unreadably bad. Most of the blurbs that get posted here (disguised ways to try to pimp their books)...SUCK. That's the nicest way I can put it. 99% of the people who ask, ask because they haven't taken writing classes where they would have received valuable feedback, nor have they engaged with a real critique group, where at least one rude person would have pointed out how lousy this paragraph or that paragraph was, or how they wouldn't know "show" from "tell" because they both have four letters. Most of them haven't even done one editing pass, and you ALL KNOW IT. If you don't know it from looking at their "novels" or "blurbs," then, kids: you shouldn't be a published author, EITHER.
And, I'm sorry, Nice Kids Posse, but telling someone that wrote a sentence with less than 7 words that managed to mangle not only tenses, but singular and plural usage in those seven words something like "well, golly gosh, that sure needs work" is not HELPING THEM. And frankly, Shelsant, telling someone "don't give up the dream" doesn't help them, either. You're encouraging her for absolutely no damn reason, other than to make YOURSELF and the girl feel better about it. How does that help? Seriously: how does that help her at ALL?
And this constant blather about how you should all be encouraging each other, and helping each other, being supportive makes my damn head hurt. In the grown-up author world, my clients make me sign non-disclosure agreements so that other authors can't use "their" cover designers. They want NDA's for the "ideas" in their books (I refuse to sign those). I had one NYTimes author that got mad because HER assistant told me about a social networking tool--about which I wrote in my newsletter, so other authors read about it and could USE it.
You aren't all in therapy together; this isn't a kaffeeklatsch; you're COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER for reader dollars. These books aren't your children, they're not your wives and lovers and husbands--[u]they're your PRODUCTS that you are SELLING[/u].
As I said, it's obvious that people--in this forum, anyway--that ask for "honest criticism" don't really want it. Let them go out and make fools out of themselves in public--why should YOU care? It's one less author who will compete against you.
Given the nearly-frantic level of hysteria in here about "Evil Reviewers," and what's happening over on the Dill-Tim thread, I find it amazing that so many of you seem to be able to exist in a state of Cognitive Dissonance; going on and on about how you should all "support" each other and getting hysterical about how evil reviewers are stalking you from this forum and deliberately "doing down" your books. Don't any of you see the logical issues in that? You don't notice some logical inconsistencies there?
So: as I said. Clearly, the only "safe" solution is to not reply AT ALL. Or BS them, and tell them--and the Happy-Happy Joy-Joy Club--that the work is a work of art, to "support" them. And then let them go off and get crushed by a real review from some poor slob who paid for the book, because he didn't have the brains to use the Look Inside. Then you can have it all ways--you can feel good about yourself and demolish your competition at the same time, and you'll never have to view yourself as a "bad" person.
URGH. Why does everything here have to be such high drama? Really?
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Why should I want to know that when I can just cannibalise a smackhead? Obviously, choosing the juicy bits first, thighs, buttocks, breast, brains on toast, lites mixed with a good gravy, kidneys eaten whole, liver with red onions. Chuck the pancreas away, unless you marinade it with Scotch. Save the arms and feet for last, they’re great barbequed nice and crispy. Am I making you feel hungry?
THANK YOU for saying what so many of us have been silently thinking! I have never done a public critique here in the forums because I don't feel like dealing with the crap that we get when give honest opinions.
It seems it's only the horrible writers, and I use the word "writers" very loosely, who decide they need the forums to "tell me if my books sucks" as one thread put it. Gee, you mean you already know it sucks and still want to subject others to it? Or worse yet, knowing it sucks, you still hit the "publish" button?
What is wrong with these people?
Although I'm fairly new to the forums, I've been a professional writer for 25 years and one of the things I've learned in all that time is that the s**t will sink to the bottom and the cream will rise to the top. These horrendous abominations of the English language will hit the bowels of the Amazon rankings soon enough and disappear into the netherlands.