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punchygonzales

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Posted: Jun 4, 2012 5:56 PM   in response to: kennydill in response to: kennydill
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"p.s. Who uses TOR?"

The 95% of all web surfers who don't participate in forums and chats.
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Posted: Jun 4, 2012 6:41 PM   in response to: punchygonzales in response to: punchygonzales
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Posted: Jun 4, 2012 7:15 PM   in response to: gldrummond in response to: gldrummond
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Posted: Jun 14, 2012 2:56 AM   in response to: punchygonzales in response to: punchygonzales
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Hate to mention this, but a) most proxies CAN be made to work flawlessly, hiding IP addies; you simply need to have an existing login...so go out, get the ubiquitous gmail addy, and, voila, almost any proxy server WILL hide your actual IP addy; and, b) there are PLENTY of free, disposable email addresses at companies that will completely hide your IP addy.

All you need to do at a proxy server co is choose Either Level 8 or Level 16 security. Level 8 provides the remote host with a faux proxy IP; Level 16 provides no IP whatsoever.

The "junior eagle scout" proxies only provide hidden IP's for browsing--but the Big Bads out there provide utterly faux IP's. While I agree that SOME type of ability to prove that there are a dozen or so people here who constantly sit here and email themselves like psychotic clones would be nice, your suggestion won't stop the most determined---or even the Kenny Dills, who, as he rightly pointed out, don't need degrees in Thermonuclear Dynamics to make a proxy server work.

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Posted: Jun 14, 2012 5:26 AM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
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Nope; absolutely not true. I'll say it once more: You cannot post at this forum without having active scripting turned on, and that makes it easy to get your IP, and no proxie will help you with that, period.

The one and only way to avoid having your IP known here is by using a VPN. How can you not know this? Now everybody does. Way to go.
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Posted: Jun 14, 2012 8:27 PM   in response to: punchygonzales in response to: punchygonzales
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Whatever you say, Punch. Not gonna argue with you.

Source it. If and when Amazon turns on IP tracking, we'll see. No proof, no truth.

And it wasn't me who mentioned the VPN, sport. So that "way to go" belongs [i]entirely [/i]to you. Give credit where credit is due, after all.

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Posted: Jun 14, 2012 9:20 PM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
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"If and when Amazon turns on IP tracking, we'll see."

Really? You can't know till then eh? Amazing....

I get the feeling you're one of those people who would try to pack wheel bearings with mud and say, "It works fine. Everyone should do it."
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Posted: Jun 15, 2012 3:18 PM   in response to: punchygonzales in response to: punchygonzales
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I somwhat agree with the proposal. The only thing that stops me from complete agreement is that KDP already has every IP. Perhaps they simply need to enforce the rule about not allowing two KDP accounts.
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Posted: Jun 15, 2012 4:09 PM   in response to: vlgallas in response to: vlgallas
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True.
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Posted: Jun 16, 2012 6:09 AM   in response to: vlgallas in response to: vlgallas
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I am completely ignorant on matters involving computers and the internet, but what about using a different computer and free wi fi at MacDonald’s or the library? Or why not just use the library’s computer? Wouldn’t that be completely private with no connection to you? I’m not suggesting that would work on this board because they already have all of our info anyway, even our SS#, but wouldn’t this work for most forums that allow only one account?
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Posted: Jun 16, 2012 6:59 AM   in response to: thetimucuan in response to: thetimucuan
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Yes.

I know my IP address isn't a static IP, but changes every time we have to reboot our router and every few days even when we don't.

Plus, it has always shown to be 'physically' located in one of two other towns in a 35 mile radius from where I really live.

Unless I log in, all Amazon knows is that someone who uses a certain internet provider in this area is looking at the board (or the .com site). We are hardly the only people in the area who use our internet provider or Amazon.

Since we do have a home network, whatever IP address is assigned at any given point in time is the same for all four computers here. If we didn't secure our home network with a password, anyone in town could connect to, and use, it.

But I could take my laptop up to McDonald's and use their free WiFi, or down the street to the automatic carwash and use the free WiFi there, or park in the lot of one of our motels that offers free WiFi, or go to the library and use one of their computers, etc.

While I'm sure there are some people who have multiple accounts, I personally have better things to do with my life than pretend to be two or a dozen different people.

I'm sure most of us do. :)

I'm also relatively certain most of us wouldn't risk losing our KDP or Amazon account just to play stupid little games on forums, with Amazon currently holding the lion's share of ebook sales for most of us.

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I should add, some of us probably click over here from our KDP accounts anyway, so there's a 'trail' of who logs in here with what information attached to those.

So if someone does have multiple forum accounts, Amazon can easily find out without there being any need to post IP addresses.

Amazon apparently counts on users to report 'suspicious' accounts before taking the time to investigate and see if someone does have multiple accounts.

On the other hand, there are good reasons to NOT post IP addresses, as the information can be used to hack into people's computers.
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Posted: Jun 16, 2012 5:01 PM   in response to: thetimucuan in response to: thetimucuan
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"what about using a different computer and free wi fi at MacDonald’s or the library? Or why not just use the library’s computer?"

Sure, but like I mentioned in the initial post here, [i]"Even revolving IPs will always be within a 30-mile radius. This would cause the number of fake posters to drop dramatically just as it always does when this action is undertaken at internet forums."[/i] And how far are people gonna drive with gas at $3.60 a gallon just to have a conversation with themselves?

There are a lot of people signed up for these forums but not many who actually use them. A lot of people sign-up and never post, or post a couple of times to ask a question and then never come back. I just checked and it currently says: Online Users: 265 guest(s), 109 user(s).

Of course the guests don't count since they can't post. There are just a couple of hundred regular usernames here. That's not very many. The chances of any two of them being from the same 30-mile area are slim but concievable. The chances of 5 or 6 of them being from the same 30-mile area, however, are next to impossible with so few posters. Once we start pasting IPs into the Whois database it will quickly become apparent who the fakers are. IPs tell you nothing whatsoever about the person's computer. They merely tell you the location of the server they're using. If you want to know more than that you would have to go to the ISP provider with a court order. But the IPs will give us their general location, and that's all we need.

Of course none of it means anything now thanks to Hitch's constant one-upsmanship battles. I fully expect the cheaters to all have VPNs now. A word of warning though. A savvy forum admin could creatively find a way to ping your box even if you were using both a proxy [i]and[/i] a VPN. I can think of a few ways just off the top of my head. But then again, I was punching holes in IBM cards by my junior year of high school in the 70s and was building and repairing computers by the late 80s. A lot of forum admins are just housewives with too much time on their hands. But you never know....
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Re: Propose KDP Boards Start Posting IP Numbers
Posted: Jun 16, 2012 8:17 PM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
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While I agree that SOME type of ability to prove that there are a dozen or so people here who constantly sit here and email themselves like psychotic clones would be nice,<

The picture that conjures up is hysterical.
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Posted: Jun 16, 2012 8:21 PM   in response to: punchygonzales in response to: punchygonzales
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Schizoid personality disorder (SPD) is a personality disorder characterized by a lack of interest in social relationships, a tendency towards a solitary lifestyle, secretiveness, emotional coldness, and apathy. Affected individuals may also demonstrate a simultaneous rich, elaborate, and exclusively internal fantasy world,[1] although this is often more suggestive of schizotypal personality disorder.<

In other words, writers.
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Posted: Jun 16, 2012 8:44 PM   in response to: ablake29 in response to: ablake29
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Actually, I think it describes a lot of bad writers. I mean there are some good ones like that, but I think the majority of the good ones tend to be very social and well thought of by their peers. I'm thinking of Mark Twain, CS Lewis, Charles Williams, GK Chesterton, and George MacDonald. Five of my favorite six writers were all extremely outgoing, had tons of friends, and filled large concert halls with their lectures. But they were also dreamers and very creative.
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