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chadcampbell

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Re: Some simple facts about Freebies
Posted: Jun 21, 2012 10:35 AM   in response to: daysoldier in response to: daysoldier
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Day i like you but there was little to any intelligent when this started hence when i called one guy an idiot because he doesnt know math. Giving away 16000 copies to sell 2500 that you wouldnt sell if they just sat there is great business. He disagreed and because he was an idiot the discussion collapsed on itself. See if someone called me an idiot i wonder why then i agree or disagree. Like i agree calling someone an idiot isnt alway the best but it really does show true intelligence
writeranne

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Re: Some simple facts about Freebies
Posted: Jun 21, 2012 10:36 AM   in response to: daysoldier in response to: daysoldier
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Yes, and actually amazon would make a few bucks on the deal.

The lose-lose comment just referred to the absurdity of PAYING to give away something for free.
robethpublishin...

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Re: Some simple facts about Freebies
Posted: Jun 21, 2012 10:47 AM   in response to: writeranne in response to: writeranne
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Interesting suggestion.

I am currently working on two free promotions - one currently going on, and the other will be implemented soon.

Both are experimental in nature, and neither should contribute to the glut issue that floods the market and hurts someone else's sale.

We will see.

Bobbi
amb50

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Re: Some simple facts about Freebies
Posted: Jun 21, 2012 10:48 AM   in response to: writeranne in response to: writeranne
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Whether there are freebies or not, not every book published on Amazon will sell in vast numbers. That stands to reason, since there are well over 8 million books. Good books will sell, however, and will do so even though free books are available. My personal ratio of frees to sales have been 3 to 1 and 4 to 1.
accord64

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Re: Some simple facts about Freebies
Posted: Jun 21, 2012 10:49 AM   in response to: daysoldier in response to: daysoldier
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I agree, Keith. This thread started off as one of the
most intelligent and respectful discussions I've seen
on the freebie issue.

Responding to the personal insults, though,
completely destroyed that discussion.

Edit: I mean absolutely no disrespect to anybody
here. I completely empathize that it is sometimes
near impossible to resist.


Once again Daysoldier, a very good post - and not so wordy this time ;). I'm afraid I was one of those who failed to resist. We used to have a code on another forum when stuff like this happened: "DNFTT" (Do Not Feed The Trolls).
chadcampbell

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Re: Some simple facts about Freebies
Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:06 AM   in response to: accord64 in response to: accord64
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There are less than a million kindle ebooks
beccamills

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Re: Some simple facts about Freebies
Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:09 AM   in response to: writeranne in response to: writeranne
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Sounds like a lose-lose situation for those putting
up freebies under this plan. ;)

Hm. Except for those who truly believe that the freebies are good marketing/advertising. They'd see a lose/win: lose some money up front, but get even better marketing/advertising out of the freebie because the pool of freebies would be smaller.

As a pro-freebie person, I endorse this plan!

Now, if only my endorsement mattered :)
writeranne

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Re: Some simple facts about Freebies
Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:21 AM   in response to: beccamills in response to: beccamills
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I see your side of it too. Sounds like this might make both sides happy. Now all we have to do is start letting Amazon in on our plan. Seriously, I do wish they had a "suggestion box". I don't want to suggest an email campaign to them, but if you think it's a good idea, why not let them know? I'm sending them this suggestion right now.
amb50

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Re: Some simple facts about Freebies
Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:53 AM   in response to: chadcampbell in response to: chadcampbell
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Not true but I am unable to give the exact figure but there are many more than 1 million.
amb50

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Re: Some simple facts about Freebies
Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:55 AM   in response to: writeranne in response to: writeranne
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Paying to do a promotion surely defeats the object. I vote no to that - with a capital nuh !!
fjsutton

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Re: Some simple facts about Freebies
Posted: Jun 21, 2012 12:25 PM   in response to: ponymadlyn in response to: ponymadlyn
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I would like to respond to the issue from a non-author viewpoint.
On average there are 2000 free books offered each month. There are some readers who download every free book that is offered with the exception of the spamphlets. Then they weed out the ones they don't actually intend to read. It creates a false ranking of the author's book, because the sales are not based on how well the book is actually doing.
The author can be momentarily excited over rankings, but how is that really helping in the long run?

It seems to me that you would rather have your rankings based on readers who actually selected your book to read and were willing to pay for it. They will be more likely to give an honest review, because they now have a vested interest in it.

If I were an author, the only free book I would offer, would be if I had a series. Then, I might offer the first book in the series free to get the reader's interest and I would price the others at more than .99 to show that my books are worth more than the spamphlets being offered.

I can tell you that I am a voracious reader, but of the free books, I only download about 2 per month out of those 2000 offerings. I will also say that I only read Indie books, so I would rather pay for a book that interests me, than to get a free book that I would probably end up throwing in the archive.

I guess what I am trying to say is for the legitimate author, indie or trad, your work is something you should be proud of and you should not sell yourself short just to get those pumped up ratings.

Again, this is just my opinion as someone who has been reading at least 5 books per week for pleasure and someone willing to pay for that pleasure.
dale2118

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Re: Some simple facts about Freebies
Posted: Jun 21, 2012 12:50 PM   in response to: phildukephd in response to: phildukephd
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Actually you made the opposite point in your first line. No one will buy a book when they can get it for free. I think the people who get free books wouldn't buy anyway. So the way I see it, that is not a lost sale, but exposure. The more free books you give away the more it shows under "also bought" giving the book more exposure.
I did a three day free promo 6/10-6/12 and had 16000 downloads. I sold 350 in the next three days and had 105 borrows. The month before I only had 36 sales.
I think free helps more than you know.

Dale
amb50

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Re: Some simple facts about Freebies
Posted: Jun 21, 2012 1:06 PM   in response to: dale2118 in response to: dale2118
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Wrong thread

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diamondlifestyle

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Re: Some simple facts about Freebies
Posted: Jun 21, 2012 1:58 PM   in response to: phildukephd in response to: phildukephd
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sigh the crash last night killed my computer just when I was starting to have fun :-(

Traci, takes a bow I love winning your awards!

Freebies in general I believe [i]can[/i] work. Freebies on Amazon...I don't. A freebie is about getting increased visibility before your target audience. With Amazon it just used to be about increased visibility all over, and you hope more of the target than less find it. These days you're hardly visible at all. Instead why not see if any groups relevant to your genre (blogs, goodreads, whatever) do freebies - anthologies, blog spots, whatever. A lot do. Get in on these and presto! free book right in front of your target audience - exactly where you want it.

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beccamills

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Re: Some simple facts about Freebies
Posted: Jun 21, 2012 2:18 PM   in response to: writeranne in response to: writeranne
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I see your side of it too. Sounds like this might
make both sides happy. Now all we have to do is start
letting Amazon in on our plan. Seriously, I do wish
they had a "suggestion box". I don't want to suggest
an email campaign to them, but if you think it's a
good idea, why not let them know? I'm sending them
this suggestion right now.

Okay, I will! We should point out the benefit to Amazon, as well (the charge would help offset their costs in storing and distributing freebies).
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