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76year2

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Great Reviews
Posted: Jul 1, 2012 11:02 AM
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I found this on the web, shows you how to get great reviews. Also Galley Cat reviews have been banned and removed. There is a number of sites that sell reviews, and they will also give bad ones. So I beleive the review system should go. It is dishonest and no review can be trusted.

Sandra Parker, a freelance writer who was hired by a review factory this spring to pump out Amazon reviews for $10 each, said her instructions were simple. “We were not asked to provide a five-star review, but would be asked to turn down an assignment if we could not give one,” said Ms. Parker, whose brief notices for a dozen memoirs are stuffed with superlatives like “a must-read” and “a lifetime’s worth of wisdom.”<

Welcome to the 'honest' review system.

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thetimucuan

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Posted: Jul 1, 2012 11:05 AM   in response to: 76year2 in response to: 76year2
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Both good and bad reviews can be dishonest.
76year2

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Posted: Jul 1, 2012 11:30 AM   in response to: thetimucuan in response to: thetimucuan
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Right! Being hired by Amazon to pump out reviews at ten bucks each. I wouldn't mind setting here for a couple hours and pump out twenty reviews. You see a lot that are the same review, just a different book. To me it's not worth the time to read a review at that rate.
oldblindog

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Posted: Jul 1, 2012 1:05 PM   in response to: 76year2 in response to: 76year2
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1. Article does not say the reviewer was hired by Amazon, but by some nameless "review factory," whose clients may well include some large traditional publishing houses.

2. Technically, what that "reviewer" was writing are called "service reviews," which are more akin to advertising blurbs than serious literary criticism. It is not an uncommon practice in the industry.

3. At one time I was invited to submit reviews of classical CDs (my other great passion!) to a respectable retail website. This arrangement worked well until I submitted a mostly-negative review of one album. After that, no matter what I wrote, they didn't want anything I submitted. All they wanted were service reviews, though apparently that policy didn't help them sell as many CDs as they thought it would; I see that website now has a similar customer review system to Amazon's.

4. I write serious, literate useful reviews of books and classical CDs on Amazon. I do not get paid for it, and my opinions are honest. I took a course on writing criticism in grad school. I know what I'm doing and I enjoy doing it. I do not agree that the review system on Amazon is useless--flawed, perhaps, but not useless. I am vehemently against getting rid of it.

cheers

Terrance Aldon Shaw

PS. Check out all my reviews, here:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/ADWD6Y3YJY47J/ref=ya_26?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview
76year2

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Posted: Jul 1, 2012 2:18 PM   in response to: oldblindog in response to: oldblindog
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Sandra Parker, a freelance writer who was hired by a review factory this spring to pump out> Amazon< reviews for $10 each,
I beleive that says amazon reviews and get paid $10 bucks each.

Any paid review is and always will be fraud. Good or Bad.
oldblindog

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Posted: Jul 1, 2012 3:43 PM   in response to: 76year2 in response to: 76year2
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It does not say that she was hired BY AMAZON, as you did in your second post. It says that she was hired by a third party to turn out reviews ON Amazon. Big difference.
I would agree that it's tacky and, at best, disingenuous, but it does not logically render the whole system of customer reviews "useless."

And as to paid reviews "always" being useless? I guess all those professional critics over the years simply wasted their lives. And anybody who ever subscribed to "The New York Review of Books" or "Stereo Review" for that matter would have done better to wrap fish or line birdcages.

cheers

TAS
76year2

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Posted: Jul 1, 2012 6:04 PM   in response to: oldblindog in response to: oldblindog
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She was hired by a review Factory 'to' pump out reviews 'for' amazon. 'Same diff ' And if she could not give a good review she was not to take the job. Is that honest or fair? And the review Factory has a houndred or so reviewers. That get graded for their best reviews, give me a brake! 10 bucks each review 20/30 reviews off my generic review. I could make $200 bucks an hour easy! And it is being done.

Oh No the paid reviews are not useless. just dishonest. Who pays the most me or amazon?

Here I set and write a couple of reviews, lets say, good ones, post them everywhere amazon wants me to. And I got a couple of bad reviews too, so I'll post them on your books if amazon wants me too. Is that fair?
When I was a kid the stores paid for protection from the mob, today they pay for reviews. Six to one, half dozon to the other.

I'll stick to wrapping fish, I cought them so my wife makes me wrap them.
Sorry but thats the way I think after looking up paid reviewers on the web.
briandockins

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Posted: Jul 1, 2012 8:01 PM   in response to: 76year2 in response to: 76year2
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That article is not saying that Amazon is the one hiring the reviews, nor do I think they are endorsing them at all. Basically, another way to word it would be that they "pump out reviews on amazon.com." From your previous posts, I take it that you are implying amazon has a hand in hiring people to create these reviews. I did not take that at all from the article. The review factory is the one initiating the reviews. Amazon and other websites that the article mentions just happen to be the place where the reviews are being posted.
michaelraytaylor

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Posted: Jul 1, 2012 9:18 PM   in response to: 76year2 in response to: 76year2
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I would like to know where "on the web" this article was printed. Could you provide a link? I don't doubt that some unscrupulous publisher of romances or third-rate novels (or vanity press, more likely) would hire freelancers to fabricate good reviews, but as a journalism prof I can say with certainty that less than half of the articles you find "on the web" have solid basis in fact. I tend to believe incendiary news like this only when it comes from a reputable and well-established news source. Otherwise, it could be a creative member of this forum or typing goat who wrote the "article" in question. And most of the people have I known personally who work with Big 6 publishers would quit their jobs rather than allow this sort of behavior to go on in their marketing departments.
76year2

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Posted: Jul 1, 2012 9:36 PM   in response to: michaelraytaylor in response to: michaelraytaylor
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Would the New York Times be good enough? Nah! Really wouldn't.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/20/technology/finding-fake-reviews-online.html

I give up you got me, But it make me wonder who here have sold to amazon.
briandockins

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Posted: Jul 1, 2012 9:41 PM   in response to: 76year2 in response to: 76year2
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I think the poster is calling what you were saying into question because of your interpretation of the article. From your previous posts, you stated that Amazon is behind this and was the one that is hiring the reviewers, which, frankly, was not what the article was saying at all. It would be hard to believe that Amazon would crank out these reviews, and I wouldn't really see the benefit for Amazon to endorse such practices.
1001nightspress

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Posted: Jul 1, 2012 9:41 PM   in response to: 76year2 in response to: 76year2
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Yeah, I remember this one from last year.

I dunno, it doesn't seem any different to me than television advertisements. I mean, actors are paid to pretend that they LOVE that breakfast cereal, soft drink, headache remedy, whatever. Doesn't ever make me buy the product.
michaelraytaylor

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Posted: Jul 1, 2012 9:53 PM   in response to: 76year2 in response to: 76year2
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OK, I believe the source now. Thank you for posting. But from reading the article, it seems clear that what is driving these review factories is not big-time publishers, or even indie authors like ourselves who have the money and the ego to pay for reviews, but hotels, travel sites, and the like. I bet most of the $10-per-good-review clients who actually have a book at Amazon are corporate officers, pols, TV "experts" and the like, who (like those mentioned in the article) have some commercial reason wholly unconnected to reading and readers to be known as a "popular" or "bestselling" author. In other words, it ain't worth it for regular book authors or publishers to engage in this sort of fraud.

For that matter, one of my former students, an award-winning crime journalist, was hired away from her paper at higher salary to do PR for a management consultant who made a hefty income from speaking at corporate retreats. Turned out her job was to pump up reviews and press for his self-published book of corporate wisdom, available for $50 from his website and $40 at his lectures. She quit after a month and went to work for a nonprofit. A guy like that would have got more bang for his buck from a review mill, and there are way too many guys like that, but not even the article you link suggests indie authors or big publishers are paying for good reviews.

(Bad) apples and (moldy) oranges.
76year2

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Posted: Jul 1, 2012 9:55 PM   in response to: 1001nightspress in response to: 1001nightspress
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I guess I'm not educated enough to understand, only went to school thru the 9th grade about 61 years ago.

You know I seen smoke out in the woods the other day and when I went to see what it was, sure enough there was a fire there.

Good Luck!
macrolly

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Re: Great Reviews
Posted: Jul 1, 2012 11:26 PM   in response to: 76year2 in response to: 76year2
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Like most online booksellers, Amazon gives their customers the ability to write reviews. This is a good thing. People often like getting feedback from people who are not biased (the biased being publishers, authors, agents, etc.) and its that fan feedback that helps someone decide whether or not to buy the book. I think you are right. reviews is wrom in frelance company i also work in that somtime create wrong reviws make problem. I tell you a site 2013 mercedes benz sl-class
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