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rtayek

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can calibre page setup output profile for ipad be used for kindle?
Posted: Nov 27, 2010 10:48 AM
 
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hi, making a book for the ipad and the kindle.

i am using calibre to convert the prc made by creator into an epub so that i can get an ncx and also so i can fix the epub so it goes through epubcheck and flightcrew.

calibre has page setup output profiles for both the ipad and the kindle. i have the book in 2 volumes.

building the prc, sticking it into calibre, unzipping, editing and zipping it back up is an error prone manual process, so i was wondering if i could use the ipad output profile for the kindle?

or is it necessary make two epubs for each volume (one for each target device)?

thanks
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Re: can calibre page setup output profile for ipad be used for kindle?
Posted: Nov 27, 2010 1:33 PM   in response to: rtayek in response to: rtayek
 
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In my experience, Calibre epubs don't pass epubcheck.

If you have a prc file, then you already have a Kindle-ready file. Is it that you hope to preserve the NCX for the Kindle edition?

And I'm not clear about the zip/upload concept. If you have a prc file, it doesn't have to be zipped, does it? So I reckon you can open the prc file in Calibre and save it as epub, then save the epub again as a prc file. I don't know that this will contain the NCX, but maybe it will.
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Re: can calibre page setup output profile for ipad be used for kindle?
Posted: Nov 27, 2010 4:22 PM   in response to: notjohn in response to: notjohn
 
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In my experience, Calibre epubs don't pass epubcheck.

mine do provided that i edit the toc made by mobi so it is valid html and edit the opf date and remove the time part.

If you have a prc file, then you already have a
Kindle-ready file. Is it that you hope to preserve
the NCX for the Kindle edition?

yes, by running kindlegen on the opf inside the epub.

And I'm not clear about the zip/upload concept. If
you have a prc file, it doesn't have to be zipped,
does it?

prc is proprietary, so who know.

So I reckon you can open the prc file in
Calibre and save it as epub, ...

yes, i do open the prc into calibre and convert it to an epub after fixing the toc made by mobi.

i need to unzip the epub, so i can edit the date, so i can pass epubcheck.

then save the epub again
as a prc file. I don't know that this will contain
the NCX, but maybe it will.

running kindlegen on the edited opf makes a .mobi that picks up the toc and ncx.

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notjohn

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Re: can calibre page setup output profile for ipad be used for kindle?
Posted: Nov 27, 2010 4:47 PM   in response to: rtayek in response to: rtayek
 
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[i]running kindlegen on the edited opf makes a .mobi that picks up the toc and ncx.[/i]

Good to know!
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Re: can calibre page setup output profile for ipad be used for kindle?
Posted: Nov 29, 2010 12:44 AM   in response to: rtayek in response to: rtayek
 
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Ray:

Geeeze, you are definitely trying to be the death of me, dude.

FWIW, I've made a bunch of epubs for iBooks, and they have special output requirements that other ePUBs don't have (like iBooks routinely ignores any centering CSS that every other ePUB in the universe will obey, as just [i]one[/i] example.) If you have Liz Castro's terrific book on Epubs (I think it's called EPUB: Straight to the Point), she has a list of everything that iBooks routinely ignores.

The problem then, is whether Kindle, post-KindleGen, would work with the heavily-modified ePUB CSS that you need for iBooks, and given MOBI/PRC's tendency to choke on any sophisticated CSS...and I'm guessing here...my response would be, no, probably not.

Ray: why don't you PM me on MR...I ran into something that might help you a LOT on this hellish project. Or email me. Happy to shares-ies. ;-)

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notjohn

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Posted: Nov 29, 2010 2:52 AM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
 
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[i]on this hellish project[/i]

In my experience, almost all epub projects are hellish. Sometimes I am moved to tears of laughter at the complaints one sees on this board about the DTP.

The DTP is a high-school General Studies English class. Epub is an MIT course in quantitative analysis.

One thing to be grateful for: Barnes & Noble doesn't care whether one's book has passed epubcheck or not.
rtayek

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Re: can calibre page setup output profile for ipad be used for kindle?
Posted: Nov 29, 2010 9:51 PM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
 
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Geeeze, you are definitely trying to be the death of
me, dude.

i certainly hope not.

FWIW, I've made a bunch of epubs for iBooks, and they
have special output requirements that other ePUBs
don't have ...
The problem then, is whether Kindle, post-KindleGen,
would work with the heavily-modified ePUB CSS that
you need for iBooks, and given MOBI/PRC's tendency to
choke on any sophisticated CSS....

well, i haven't tried to do anything with style yet. but it seems like adding the style in the unzpped epub before running kindlegen may sorta work.


Ray: why don't you PM me on MR...I ran into
something that might help you a LOT on this hellish
project. ...

yes, i am trying jutoh.

thanks
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