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kiigeorge

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childrens picture book on kindle
Posted: Feb 5, 2011 10:43 PM
 
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I'm just about finished a pre reader to beginner reader picture book, for children and i want to publish on the kindle and other places.

There is no formatting to do because each page is a single image file that includes both the text and the image.

At present each page is a png file. I believe i have to convert each of these to a pdf file and then i could upload, is that correct ?

Cant do it as an html file because i dont know html well enough. I use a wyswyg web builder and so i can avoid html. Actually there might be a way around that that i have just thought of.

Anyways, basically each page is an image file including the text and illustration. Am i on the right track ?

thanks for the feedback

kevin
jtbigtoad

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Re: childrens picture book on kindle
Posted: Feb 6, 2011 4:32 AM   in response to: kiigeorge in response to: kiigeorge
 
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I did a test upload with a.PNG formatted image and it did successfully convert via the@kindle.com file conversion system, but I wouldn't trust it to do a book that way.

I would recommend staying away from a.pdf format because PDF does not really do well with Kindle.

I have done a picture book of sorts using Microsoft Word (2003) and it didn't work compleatly to my satisfaction.

There are two ways to do this:

1) You can try to post JPEG's with text on the same page, but then the JPEG needs to be sized properly for the text to go hand-in-hand with the image on the same page,

2) You can add the text to the JPEG and then simply post one JPEG to each page.

For a children's book, especially a primary reader, this may be the best way of doing it as you can actually format the text on an image and position it exactly where you want the text to appear on the image much in the same way that a comic book can have the text positioned in those little balloons that associate it with the speaker.

I'm not saying that you need to have it look like a comic book, but the text can be positioned in the font will have more variety that is available in straight Kindle (which only has two basic types of text).

I'll poke around and see if I can create a display for an example....

Here’s one!

It is a clumsy creation, but you get the idea!

John

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Re: childrens picture book on kindle
Posted: Feb 6, 2011 4:40 AM   in response to: jtbigtoad in response to: jtbigtoad
 
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OOPS!

I forgot to add

Kindles are B&W (Black and White) only (for now) but other devices have COLOR so do Color pictures but check in Grey Scale (B&W)

Can't edit in another Image!

John

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kiigeorge

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Re: childrens picture book on kindle
Posted: Feb 6, 2011 5:50 AM   in response to: jtbigtoad in response to: jtbigtoad
 
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thanks John

that was a very good response. Ive waited quiet a while at another forum to get a straight response on this, so im very pleased.

Jpegs with text pre formatted on the same page as the illustration will do fine, i can do that, thats great to hear.

So you've uploaded jpegs for use on kindle?

what is the best pixel size for the file by the way ?

Yes i know about the 16 point gray scale. The images are in color, but they will work ok in grey scale

thanks !
jtbigtoad

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Re: childrens picture book on kindle
Posted: Feb 6, 2011 7:39 AM   in response to: kiigeorge in response to: kiigeorge
 
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I have no idea of pixel size!

I just watch the MB/KB count

Microsoft Office picture manager will resize a bunch of images in one swoop which is handy.

250 kb is big enough to give good resolution on any device without busting the budget document size wise.

A bunch of BIG JPEGS really boggs down the Kindle conversion

I had a file that was a 36 MB Word document, and the result was a 1.6MB kindle book

If you use the @kindle.com document conversion to a kindle, it costs $0.15 per MB UPLOADED!!!! -- Thats $5.40 to process EACH time you send it up!

The @free.kindle.com is of course free, but cumbersome.

The Bookshelf conversions are free, but when you are testing, the @kindle.com is a quick look/see.

also my photoprogram converts to B&W with a button push and I make it a policy to check stuff to make sure it looks ok in Greyscale.

John

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kiigeorge

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Re: childrens picture book on kindle
Posted: Feb 6, 2011 8:13 AM   in response to: jtbigtoad in response to: jtbigtoad
 
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im using vector illustrations.

there good for creating low file sizes
jtbigtoad

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Posted: Feb 6, 2011 8:42 AM   in response to: kiigeorge in response to: kiigeorge
 
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UH .... OK....

I have no idea what a vector illistration is???

you can probably resize THEN convert to JPEG

John

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Re: childrens picture book on kindle
Posted: Feb 6, 2011 10:28 AM   in response to: jtbigtoad in response to: jtbigtoad
 
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If I was going to make a picture book. I would use Sigil, it's an open source epub editor.

I would get all my images ready, large high resolution color images. The resolution of the baby kindle is 600x800 but people might be reading your picture book on various screens with different color capabilities and resolutions.

Then I would just open Sigil and insert each of my images into its own xhtml file. Named page 1.xhtml page2.xhtml etc.. You could also have a TitlePage.xhtml with some text if you like, I'm going to attach some screenshots.

Then I would open the epub in Calibre and click convert to MOBI which is a currently Kindle Friendly format.
divorcedoctor

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Re: childrens picture book on kindle
Posted: Feb 6, 2011 3:02 PM   in response to: kiigeorge in response to: kiigeorge
 
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I'm just about finished a pre reader to beginner
reader picture book, for children and i want to
publish on the kindle and other places.

There is no formatting to do because each page is a
single image file that includes both the text and the
image.

At present each page is a png file. I believe i have
to convert each of these to a pdf file and then i
could upload, is that correct ?

Cant do it as an html file because i dont know html
well enough. I use a wyswyg web builder and so i can
avoid html. Actually there might be a way around
that that i have just thought of.

Anyways, basically each page is an image file
including the text and illustration. Am i on the
right track ?

thanks for the feedback

kevin


but what sort of file IS it, eg doc pdf etc or is it already html?

the kindle guide tells you exactly what happens with images but a bit hard to follow SO we did the next step which was to make a book with various file types and pixel sizes so that YOU can see what happens on your device. You only need to get sample of book as rear end is "padded".

See Covers Are Us free Tutorial/Book http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00440DPWM
booknookbiz

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Re: childrens picture book on kindle
Posted: Feb 6, 2011 10:13 PM   in response to: operativewords in response to: operativewords
 
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Hi:

Operativewords' instructions are correct, but I feel compelled to point out that that type of children's book format, in ePUB, is expressly forbidden and will be rejected at iBooks, just in case you're thinking about publishing there...get a copy of their newest guidelines (Apple's) for "fixed format" books.

HTH
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operativewords

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Re: childrens picture book on kindle
Posted: Feb 7, 2011 11:40 AM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
 
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I couldn't seem to find those guidelines, there was sign up process through APPLE that might have given me the guidelines, but they wanted me to become a member of their publishing group first, do you have a copy of the guidelines I could read.

Also I downloaded that epubchecker program and didn't receive any errors on that test picture book I made, although I'm not sure if I used the epubchecker program right.

Why would APPLE be against a book such as this, is there a potential for abuse? Clicking on one of those pictures might send you to a site where you can purchase things outside the app store or something like that?

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