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Nathan

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Re: Can I withdraw from Select?
Posted: Apr 22, 2013 6:07 PM   in response to: Kara Haskins in response to: Kara Haskins
 
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Hi,

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Well I think I own the rights, and I think I'll get it ready format wise for other epubs and then decide for myself what to do, I don't see anything wrong with a small business to run a performance audit of the demographics he intends to put his products into, especially to find out if it is an idea farm or a legit deal.
cdalebrittain

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Re: Can I withdraw from Select?
Posted: Apr 22, 2013 6:31 PM   in response to: Nathan in response to: Nathan
 
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Remember, KDP (Kindle Direct Publishing, look at the upper left of this page) and KDP Select are not the same. You can be in KDP (ie have your ebook for sale on Amazon) without being in Select.

If you're in Select, as you know, you have to be exclusive to Amazon for 90 days. (Exclusive as an ebook, that is. Hardcopy doesn't count.) Once the 90 days are up (be sure to un-click auto renewal), you can be published on KDP-Amazon and anywhere else you like at the same time.

Amazon will indeed update versions of your book that people have bought if you make "substantive" changes (like get rid of that silly scene with the rhinoceros and the pixie, plus make the plot make sense). But you have to ask nicely, and they are the final judges of whether your changes are substantive enough to justify it. I think you're thinking of adding some sort of clue or twist every few weeks? They probably wouldn't find this substantive.
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Re: Can I withdraw from Select?
Posted: Apr 22, 2013 7:31 PM   in response to: Logan Byrne in response to: Logan Byrne
 
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Since when can't you fix typos?
When one of my books was in Select, I changed my file probably 4-5 times and never had a problem.
Nathan,

My ignorance is showing. I've never enrolled in Select so I was repeating what I read from a newbie who couldn't access his book. Perhaps it was really because he had just uploaded/updated it and it was in review/publishing mode. In any event, I stand corrected. Apparently you can fix typos during the 90 days.

I'll never find out from experience. :-)
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Re: Can I withdraw from Select?
Posted: Apr 22, 2013 7:32 PM   in response to: Logan Byrne in response to: Logan Byrne
 
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Since when can't you fix typos?
When one of my books was in Select, I changed my file probably 4-5 times and never had a problem.
Nathan,

My ignorance is showing. I've never enrolled in Select so I was repeating what I read from a newbie who couldn't access his book. Perhaps it was really because he had just uploaded/updated it and it was in review/publishing mode. In any event, I stand corrected. Apparently you can fix typos during the 90 days.

I'll never find out from experience. :-)
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Re: Can I withdraw from Select?
Posted: Apr 22, 2013 7:32 PM   in response to: Logan Byrne in response to: Logan Byrne
 
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Since when can't you fix typos?
When one of my books was in Select, I changed my file probably 4-5 times and never had a problem.
Nathan,

My ignorance is showing. I've never enrolled in Select so I was repeating what I read from a newbie who couldn't access his book. Perhaps it was really because he had just uploaded/updated it and it was in review/publishing mode. In any event, I stand corrected. Apparently you can fix typos during the 90 days.

I'll never find out from experience. :-)
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Re: Can I withdraw from Select?
Posted: Apr 22, 2013 7:32 PM   in response to: Logan Byrne in response to: Logan Byrne
 
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Since when can't you fix typos?
When one of my books was in Select, I changed my file probably 4-5 times and never had a problem.
Nathan,

My ignorance is showing. I've never enrolled in Select so I was repeating what I read from a newbie who couldn't access his book. Perhaps it was really because he had just uploaded/updated it and it was in review/publishing mode. In any event, I stand corrected. Apparently you can fix typos during the 90 days.

I'll never find out from experience. :-)
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Re: Can I withdraw from Select?
Posted: Apr 22, 2013 7:32 PM   in response to: Logan Byrne in response to: Logan Byrne
 
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Since when can't you fix typos?
When one of my books was in Select, I changed my file probably 4-5 times and never had a problem.
Nathan,

My ignorance is showing. I've never enrolled in Select so I was repeating what I read from a newbie who couldn't access his book. Perhaps it was really because he had just uploaded/updated it and it was in review/publishing mode. In any event, I stand corrected. Apparently you can fix typos during the 90 days.

I'll never find out from experience. :-)
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Re: Can I withdraw from Select?
Posted: Apr 22, 2013 7:32 PM   in response to: Logan Byrne in response to: Logan Byrne
 
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Since when can't you fix typos?
When one of my books was in Select, I changed my file probably 4-5 times and never had a problem.
Nathan,

My ignorance is showing. I've never enrolled in Select so I was repeating what I read from a newbie who couldn't access his book. Perhaps it was really because he had just uploaded/updated it and it was in review/publishing mode. In any event, I stand corrected. Apparently you can fix typos during the 90 days.

I'll never find out from experience. :-)
donnaglaser

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Re: Can I withdraw from Select?
Posted: Apr 22, 2013 8:11 PM   in response to: Nathan in response to: Nathan
 
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You can't withdraw or unpublished during the 90 days that you agreed to. Yes, you own the rights but you entered into a contract. Wait out the 90 days and make sure you unchecked the auto-renew option before it rolls into another 90. I don't know what you expected from Select but it doesn't seem as though you researched it as thoroughly as you should have. Amazon's duty isn't to market your book. That's your job and it's a daunting one. KDP is a platform for self-publishing and they are a distributor to readers who want your book. It's up to you to inform and entice your target population, and get them to buy it.

Keep in mind--if you start trying to game Amazon they'll close your account and there really isn't any way to force them to reinstate you. They don't have to publish you. Conversely, if you don't like their terms, you are free to go elsewhere--after your Select term is honored.

But don't count on making any sort of money any where else. Amazon is the big whale in this pond.
Kara Haskins

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Re: Can I withdraw from Select?
Posted: Apr 22, 2013 8:40 PM   in response to: Nathan in response to: Nathan
 
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'Well I think I own the rights, and I think I'll get it ready format wise for other epubs and then decide for myself what to do, I don't see anything wrong with a small business to run a performance audit of the demographics he intends to put his products into, especially to find out if it is an idea farm or a legit deal.'

You don't lose rights by enrolling in Select, so you're correct there. There's also nothing wrong with PREPARING your works to go up on other platforms while you're in Select, but you shoud have the integrity to honor your word and follow what you agreed to do, which is to keep your works exclusive to Amazon for the 90 day term.

It's not 'a small business to run a preformance audit of the demographics he intends to put his products into'...it's breaking your contract with the Amazon Select program, which, as has been mentioned, can lead to beng blocked from publishing on Amazon. Chose carefully here.
wiseindie

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Re: Can I withdraw from Select?
Posted: Apr 23, 2013 12:23 AM   in response to: Kara Haskins in response to: Kara Haskins
 
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I never cease to be amazed by the large numbers of indies who get into kdp select (or any other contractual matter with amazon) and never bother to read the fine print or the FAQ and then act surprised, hurt and/or offended when they find out the restrictions that apply.

I'm just so impressed with the indies who patiently explain, re-explain and repeat the points almost on a daily basis sometimes to petulant OPs.

I've really learnt the meaning of patience.
Nathan

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Re: Can I withdraw from Select?
Posted: Apr 23, 2013 6:46 AM   in response to: wiseindie in response to: wiseindie
 
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I'm never surprised by people who sign up for something and then the company breaches the contract and you just take it.

Obviously you didn't read the op. I can't legally be in breach of a contract that has already been breached. The contract was breached and therefor void. Amazon said I could update current customers and I can't. They never said substantial updates only or we will decide for you, thusly, my select contract with kdp is already void. Then you take into account the total lack of presence anywhere, I can only find it because I know it is there and can look for it directly. I can't be in breach of a null and void contract.

I will ride out my free promo week, then unpublish, then republish and not use select.
Susan

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Re: Can I withdraw from Select?
Posted: Apr 23, 2013 7:14 AM   in response to: Nathan in response to: Nathan
 
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Do you honestly think Amazon won't notice that your content is the same on your "new" book?

If that's what you want to do, that's fine. Feel free to break the contract, as long as you don't mind if they block your account, meaning that none of your books will be available on the biggest bookseller in the world. Your choice.

Personally, I wont risk it.
Harlan Yee

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Re: Can I withdraw from Select?
Posted: Apr 23, 2013 8:49 AM   in response to: Nathan in response to: Nathan
 
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I think there are some good comments here about KDP Select enrollment but here are my 2 cents. If you're wanting to publish elsewhere, you definitely need to be conscious of the 90 day exlusivity period. I was facing this very issue last week and almost forgot about not being able to sell my ebooks elsewhere. Fortunately, I un-enrolled one of my books the day before it was about to renew in KDP Select.

Here's the story of what I did:

http://freelancedoodle.com/sell-your-kindle-books-at-barnes-noble-using-nook-press/

You also mention Createspace. I would highly recommend offering print versions of your books. It has worked out very well for me. This month so far, I'm selling double the amount of print books vs Kindle books. Plus it's cool to have books I can actually show people! These publishing services are all free so everyone should be taking advantage of multiple platforms. Createspace is my new best friend!
Kara Haskins

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Re: Can I withdraw from Select?
Posted: Apr 23, 2013 10:44 AM   in response to: Nathan in response to: Nathan
 
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Again, what does 'update current customers' mean? You are not clear in your accustion that Amamzon has somehow 'breached' your contract. I doubt I'm the only one unclear about what the heck you're talking about,
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