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Steve Pillinger

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35% from amazon.com, 70% from amazon.co.uk - why?
Posted: Oct 22, 2017 1:23 AM
 
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Hi folks,

I've just uploaded my first ebook to Kindle, and there have been a couple of sales. I chose the 70% pricing plan.

However in the Royalties Earned table I saw that I received only 35% for an amazon.com (US) sale, but 70% for an amazon.co.UK sale. And on the eBook Pricing tab of the setup page, despite 70% being selected, it lists BOTH rates next to the List Price.

Can anyone tell me why this would be?

Thanks!
Mrs Julia Evans

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Re: 35% from amazon.com, 70% from amazon.co.uk - why?
Posted: Oct 22, 2017 3:16 AM   in response to: Steve Pillinger in response to: Steve Pillinger
 
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Hi Steve,

This is an often asked question.

The UK site sells (mainly) to the UK which is a 70% region.

The .com site sells to the US (a 70% region) plus the rest of the world (those countries that aren't serviced by their own site - such as Canada, Australia, Japan etc.).

Anytime you have a sale on .com outside of the US, you will almost always get a 35% royalty, because they (most other countries) don't qualify for a 70% royalty.

Hope that helps. J

(Congrats on your sales btw.)

Steve Pillinger

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Re: 35% from amazon.com, 70% from amazon.co.uk - why?
Posted: Oct 22, 2017 8:27 AM   in response to: Mrs Julia Evans in response to: Mrs Julia Evans
 
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Thanks, Julia, So am I understanding right, that the 70% rate applies only to sales within a given country? I.e. if someone within the US bought from amazon.com, that would earn a 70% royalty; and a purchase from within the UK from amazon.co.uk earns 70%; but a purchase from outside the US from the .com site only earns 35%? But it seems that principle applies only to the .com site: because one of the amazon.co.uk sales was to someone resident in South Africa; and that earned the full 70% royalty…
Still a little confused!
Donna St Felix

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Re: 35% from amazon.com, 70% from amazon.co.uk - why?
Posted: Oct 22, 2017 8:38 AM   in response to: Steve Pillinger in response to: Steve Pillinger
 
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Steve Pillinger wrote:
Thanks, Julia, So am I understanding right, that the 70% rate applies only to sales within a given country? I.e. if someone within the US bought from amazon.com, that would earn a 70% royalty; and a purchase from within the UK from amazon.co.uk earns 70%; but a purchase from outside the US from the .com site only earns 35%? But it seems that principle applies only to the .com site: because one of the amazon.co.uk sales was to someone resident in South Africa; and that earned the full 70% royalty…
Still a little confused!

THIRD try without the link.

The 70% royalty option only applies to books sold to customers in the countries listed below. You do not need to live in one of the 70% territories in order to receive the 70% royalty option.

Andorra
Australia (including territories Christmas Island (CX), Cocos Keeling Islands (CC), Heard & McDonald Islands (HM), and Northfolk Island (NF))
Austria
Belgium
Brazil*
Canada
France
Great Britain
Guernsey
Germany
Gibraltar
India*
Italy
Ireland
Isle of Man
Japan*
Jersey
Lichtenstein
Luxembourg
Monaco
Mexico*
Netherlands
New Zealand (including territories Cook Islands (CK), Niue (NU), and Tokelau)
San Marino
Switzerland
Spain
United Kingdom
United States
Vatican City
Mrs Julia Evans

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Re: 35% from amazon.com, 70% from amazon.co.uk - why?
Posted: Oct 22, 2017 8:48 AM   in response to: Steve Pillinger in response to: Steve Pillinger
 
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Hi Steve,

Yes, only certain countries are eligible for the 70% rate. Most of these will use specific sites. The ones who're not listed will mostly use the com site.

I think I'm correct in saying that with the exception of the com site, all of the other country sites are all 70%, so that's your UK, CA, AUS, JPN and so on - they all qualify for 70%

The com site is the odd man out, because it handles the traffic for the rest of the world. As I said before, any sales in the US are given the 70% rate, but anywhere not on the list would get 35%.

South Africa would use the com site - I know because I have friends there. In fact, I have friends in NZ too, and I thought they'd be able to use the AUS site, but they use com as well.

Some sites (the ones asterisked) only get the 70% price if you have your book listed in Select. If not you get the 35% instead.

Hope that explains. J

(Donna beat me to it with the list of countries. :) )
Steve Pillinger

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Re: 35% from amazon.com, 70% from amazon.co.uk - why?
Posted: Oct 22, 2017 8:56 AM   in response to: Donna St Felix in response to: Donna St Felix
 
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Thanks, Donna, for the full list.

However, I'm sorry to say that this still leaves me confused. Because the list includes the United States: and the sale I'm talking about that earned only 35% was from amazon.com, the US site!

So I'm still struggling to understand why that sale earned only 35%, while the one from amazon.co.uk earned 70%...
Steve Pillinger

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Re: 35% from amazon.com, 70% from amazon.co.uk - why?
Posted: Oct 22, 2017 9:02 AM   in response to: Mrs Julia Evans in response to: Mrs Julia Evans
 
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Thanks again, Julia. I think light is beginning to dawn.

So you're saying that the country of origin of the sale does matter, but only for the US site. There sales from out-of-country only earn 35%. But for all other Amazon sites 70% is 70% regardless of where the purchase originates.

Have I got it right at last??

– Steve.
Mrs Julia Evans

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Re: 35% from amazon.com, 70% from amazon.co.uk - why?
Posted: Oct 22, 2017 2:09 PM   in response to: Steve Pillinger in response to: Steve Pillinger
 
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Hi Steve,

Sorry for the delay, your post must have been buried quickly. I didn't spot it.

Yes, I think you've got it. The vast majority of your 35% payments will come via the .com site, because of where the book was purchased (nothing to do with where you are), and the com site handling the 'rest of the world'.

Now, just to make it a little more complicated, you'll notice I said the 'vast majority' not 'all'.

I've just been through my back sales, and in the last 18 months or so, I've had a few dozen 35% payments on the UK site, and a couple more on CA, IN, AUS and JPN. This could have been for a number of reasons - possibly tourists from the UK buying books while they're in one of the 35% territories on holiday? Or British military serving abroad but using their UK account? Or even just people living on small islands that aren't covered by the 70% agreement, logging onto their nearest Amazon site. It's rare that they do, but it does happen.

But we really are talking small numbers here.

Altogether, even including the com site, my 35% royalties make up less than 5 percent of my sales. The vast majority are in the 70% bracket.

I hope that now fully explains it. :)

If not, you know where to find me....

Best wishes. J
Steve Pillinger

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Re: 35% from amazon.com, 70% from amazon.co.uk - why?
Posted: Oct 22, 2017 9:34 PM   in response to: Mrs Julia Evans in response to: Mrs Julia Evans
 
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Thanks again, Julia.

That's interesting about your few UK 35% sales. In fact the UK sale that earned me 70% was my own purchase, and I live in South Africa! But we used to live in the UK, and I've been signed up with amazon.co.uk for many years, so maybe that explains it.

Anyway, you've made me aware of the fact that the 70% rate isn't absolute, and various factors contribute to the occasional 35% amount—which reassures me that this wasn't a random glitch.

Many thanks!

—Steve.
Mrs Julia Evans

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Re: 35% from amazon.com, 70% from amazon.co.uk - why?
Posted: Oct 22, 2017 11:06 PM   in response to: Steve Pillinger in response to: Steve Pillinger
 
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Phew!! Glad we got there in the end.

Anyway, good luck with your sales. May you have many of them (preferably the 70% kind).

J :)
Steve Pillinger

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Re: 35% from amazon.com, 70% from amazon.co.uk - why?
Posted: Oct 23, 2017 3:13 AM   in response to: Mrs Julia Evans in response to: Mrs Julia Evans
 
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Thank you!
writerbn

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Re: 35% from amazon.com, 70% from amazon.co.uk - why?
Posted: Oct 23, 2017 5:13 AM   in response to: Steve Pillinger in response to: Steve Pillinger
 
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Steve Pillinger wrote:
Thank you!
Wait till you download the monthly spreadsheet and discover some sales that have a royalty percentage between 35% and 70%. That one still has me scratching my head :)
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