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K R COTTON

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kidle tools
Posted: Oct 23, 2017 12:59 PM
 
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kindle tools for Microsoft Word (Beta is this some sort of joke it is the worst add in I have ever come across), it savage your work, is their going to be any improvements, if you use word and work hard on the book why dose kindle think its ok to destroy it most people read a 7x8 book
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Re: kidle tools
Posted: Oct 23, 2017 3:43 PM   in response to: K R COTTON in response to: K R COTTON
 
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K R COTTON wrote:
kindle tools for Microsoft Word (Beta is this some sort of joke it is the worst add in I have ever come across), it savage your work, is their going to be any improvements, if you use word and work hard on the book why dose kindle think its ok to destroy it most people read a 7x8 book

Well, if your Word file is clean, styled using Headings and Styles, and ready to go, then ignore the plugin, if it's giving you such agita, and upload the Word file, as-is, to the KDP. However, your final comment, about "most people read a 7x8 book" worries me a bit. You do realize that eBooks don't have a page size, or pages, right? That the way the ebook looks, the screen/page size, the number of words per line and per screen, will be completely different on each different device, and completely different from user to user, as they choose their own desired fonts, etc.?

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K R COTTON

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Re: kidle tools
Posted: Nov 9, 2017 5:06 PM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
 
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yes I realise that but your word document dose not work well with kindle ,but it should take your book format and apply it to the kindle as is which it dose not
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Re: kidle tools
Posted: Nov 9, 2017 6:50 PM   in response to: K R COTTON in response to: K R COTTON
 
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K R COTTON wrote:
yes I realise that but your word document dose not work well with kindle ,but it should take your book format and apply it to the kindle as is which it dose not

People who use Word as a typewriter and are ignorant of Styles/Formatting have myriad problems during conversion. People who know what they're doing, no problem at all with either print or e-book editions.
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Re: kidle tools
Posted: Nov 9, 2017 6:51 PM   in response to: K R COTTON in response to: K R COTTON
 
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K R COTTON wrote:
yes I realise that but your word document dose not work well with kindle ,but it should take your book format and apply it to the kindle as is which it dose not

KR:

I think you're confused, about eBooks, what they are, Word files, etc. If you can't upload your Word file to the KDP, as-is, and have it work, then exporting it to HTML won't do a damned thing to help it.

ebook formatting isn't some magic thing. I'm not trying to be snarky. ebook formatting is simply HTML. The same stuff that makes websites run. HTML is also the "engine" for Word--it's the underlying bones, of the Word file existence. Without HTML, Word couldn't function and exist.

From what you have said, I don't think you have a formatted file. For example, you mentioned about your trim size, for the file--but ebooks don't have trim sizes or page sizes. An eBook is essentially a portable website--a big long webpage, that flows from top to bottom. The "pages" are illusions. If you make a print layout for a book, say, 6" x 9", then the corresponding eBook wont' look anything like that. It won't be 6" wide; it won't be 10" tall, and it won't be close to that.

I've looked at the KindleCreate plugin. It's no use to us, because we make ebooks with HTML, but of course, I was curious. There's nothing wrong with it, but, just like using your OWN Word file, it's 100% dependent upon you using the Styles and Headings that are part of the Kindle Create program. If you don't use Styles and Headings--it won't work. And if you didn't use Styles and Headings in your Word file, that won't work, either.

I think you completely misunderstand how Word files and ebooks work, from when you say "...take your eBook format and apply it to the Kindle." It will absolutely do that--but you have to have used STYLES. I mean, it won't take some unstyled file, apply styles automatically and ka-blammo!, you have a finsihed eBook. All the KindleCreate does is try to walk people who don't know what Styles are, or how to use them, through using them. No more, no less. It's sort of a tutorial on properly using Word, on the hoof.

If you don't know what Styles and Headings are, then, there's no hope that the KindleCreate plugin will work for you, or that your manuscript will work if you upload it at the KDP. Take some time and view some videos, learn how to USE Word's built-in Styles and Headings, and everything--absolutely everything--will be much, much easier.

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Notjohn

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Re: kidle tools
Posted: Nov 10, 2017 3:42 AM   in response to: K R COTTON in response to: K R COTTON
 
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K R, I'm sorry to tell you that relying on one of Amazon's crutches is not your only problem. Have you spell-checked your manuscript?

I agree that the Kindle Create add-in (or KC itself) is a bad idea. For one thing, it prevents you from selling the book on Apple, Barnes & Noble, etc. For another, it doesn't seem to work very well, though one poster here thought it was great stuff. (Most don't seem to.)

Read the third post on my blog for more about uploading Word docs to the KDP. (It is certainly not as clear-cut as the Wordsters will tell you.) And fer gosh sakes, hire a copy editor!

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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K R COTTON

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Re: kidle tools
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 1:08 PM   in response to: K R COTTON in response to: K R COTTON
 
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In response you your self no I do need that I have fond the solutions and it not amazon or any other geek wants to charge myself
K R COTTON

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Re: kidle tools
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 1:10 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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Don't use any thing kindle I have found the sulutions
K R COTTON

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Posted: Nov 14, 2017 2:21 PM   in response to: K R COTTON in response to: K R COTTON
 
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that is paper back not every body wants to pay dollars for a kindle I have now found the answer to your soft ware , and its a lot better, another we are now in the process of writing a freeware programed that will take your book as is and convert to any other format as is it will be a word program built into it for any alterations that you need to do that you have might have missed.
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Re: kidle tools
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 2:22 PM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
 
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kindle is limited and yes it dose mess up your formats
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Posted: Nov 14, 2017 2:56 PM   in response to: K R COTTON in response to: K R COTTON
 
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K R COTTON wrote:
kindle is limited and yes it dose mess up your formats

Well, KR:

I guess I'll defer to your obviously superior expertise and experience. My firm has made over 3500 ebooks, and somehow, those all work and do not have "messed up formats." I'll say this again--I don't think you understand what's happening, inside an eBook. That, or you aren't able to express what you're trying to do in a way that would let anyone else here help you.

The only reason that Kindle "has messed up formats" is because people insist on trying to force it to do what it's not designed to do, or try to make it the same as print, and don't have the skills to make that happen. When made properly, Kindle books can be absolutely beautiful, and be gorgeously formatted.

PERIOD.

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Notjohn

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Re: kidle tools
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 5:47 PM   in response to: K R COTTON in response to: K R COTTON
 
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kindle is limited and yes it dose mess up your formats

Odd that it has never messed up mine!

Unlike Hitch, I've only published 26 books through the DTP/KDP. But they all look just as I wanted them to look. I don't think that was an accident.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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Salamander Mall...

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Re: kidle tools
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 6:40 PM   in response to: K R COTTON in response to: K R COTTON
 
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K R COTTON wrote:
kindle is limited and yes it dose mess up your formats

Actually, GIGO.
K R COTTON

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Re: kidle tools
Posted: Nov 18, 2017 4:18 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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their kindle converter and heir other applet are crap
K R COTTON

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Re: kidle tools
Posted: Nov 18, 2017 4:23 PM   in response to: K R COTTON in response to: K R COTTON
 
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in answer to your question +yes and we use a much better system word is limited kindle is very limited converter mess up your books, they people i deal with are professor of the written word. that sums it up
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