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C. Gold

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Re: Just roaring and ranting.
Posted: Nov 1, 2017 1:37 PM   in response to: Moshe Ben-Or in response to: Moshe Ben-Or
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Um thanks for the lesson there, but I was talking about the specific location these people wound up in. Not the entire planet. ('where are these people exactly?' is what I said before all that.)

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Moshe Ben-Or

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Re: Just roaring and ranting.
Posted: Nov 1, 2017 2:14 PM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
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Sounds like you're putting the cart before the horse, then. What do you want to do with your heroes, as an author?

Do you want them warm or cold? Climbing around or walking on a plane? Fighting giant alligators or fighting polar bears? It's a planet...

And, by the way, what is its history? Because if you know the history, you can figure out the rest.

If there is only one dominant culture, then either there was only one group of settlers and it hasn't been too long, or else there was a King Headchopper the Great who went all Ancient China / Imperial Russia / Spanish Conquest of the Americas on everybody's arz. And if it is the latter, guess what? He still didn't completely wipe out the rest of the cultures, and all the hatreds and conflicts he suppressed and/or created are still there.

If there really is truly one culture where there were many, then we are talking Fuhrer Adolph the Second here, and the horrors he unleashed are, again, going to shape the planet essentially forever.
Elodie

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Re: Just roaring and ranting.
Posted: Nov 1, 2017 2:41 PM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
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Thank you guys, for all of your suggestions and encouragement.
I'm replying to myself here, because I didn't want to single one of you out. You have all been helpful!
It's a damn shame, yet at the same time a real comfort, to know that you're all going through the same things in regards to questions about our so called 'hobbies'.
I've just been really annoyed with it every time I opened up my ms, and it kind of lead me to writing nothing, or at the very least, nothing that brought any value to my story.
I think that the thing that annoyed me the most was that the same people that told me to "just write faster", where the same people that think I can babysit for them at a moments notice because I'm at home anyway... I can't work while looking after their kids, yet when I say no, they don't get it and get annoyed with me.
I've never divulged on sales figures. I've generally just said sales are either up or down, going well or going bad. But I don't ask them what they make in their jobs, so I never felt like telling them what I make in mine.
Knowing you're all going through the same things, makes it a lot easier to let go of it.
I just found it so hard because 1; I work hard at what I do, even if no one else sees it. 2; it shouldn't matter whether I work from home or from some office, work is work, and I'm proud of what I do. And most importantly, 3; English isn't my first language, and I put a hell of a lot of effort into learning it, and learning it well.
But I wanted to thank you all from the bottom of my heart for your suggestions, encouragements and stories.
C. Gold

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Re: Just roaring and ranting.
Posted: Nov 1, 2017 4:12 PM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
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I would never have guessed that English isn't your first language. Very well done learning a frustrating break the rules type of language.

And Moshe, it's supposed to be a planet without advanced life on it. :P Supposed is the key word here, hehe... Anyway... back to doing a little writing and a little fleshing out. It's kind of fun that I don't know where they are in the harvest cycle and that adds a sense of worry to the main characters since they don't know if they'll get crops grown by the time a frost kills em all! :) I might just keep pantsing on this for a while.
Moshe Ben-Or

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Re: Just roaring and ranting.
Posted: Nov 1, 2017 7:41 PM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
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And Moshe, it's supposed to be a planet without advanced life on it.

Define "advanced". Is multicellular life "advanced"? Are flowering grasses? What about mosses and lichens? How about ferns and fungi? Evergreens? Does the life on this world still stay in the sea only, or has it ventured out on land? If they are growing land-based crops, it has better be the latter, or there will be no soil. You're not growing crops in pure clay or naked sand.

What kinds of animals are "advanced"? Mammals? Placental or marsupial? Reptiles? Amphibians? Fish? What kind? How about mollusks? Crustaceans? Squid? What about that ever-favorite reader creep-out, giant bugs? Or is our life really alien, to the point where terran forms don't even fit?

Speaking of giant bugs, what is the partial pressure of oxygen in the atmosphere? How about other gases? Do your heroes need filter masks? Oxygen masks? Are they at risk for oxygen narcosis, while the giant bugs try to eat them? (At least they'll die happy...) Are your heroes at risk of anaphylactic shock due to sudden exposure to alien organics?

How are your characters growing terran crops on this strange alien planet without pollinators and nitrogen-fixing bacteria? How is the biosphere suddenly compatible with terran life to such an extent?

I'd think carefully about which crops. It ain't going to be any of the Western cereals, unless they've brought a complete terraforming package with them and/or it's a terraformed world.

While we are at it, what is the explanation for space travelers not knowing the orbit of the planet where they land and being unable to work up a weather forecast for their location? What are they, tourists off a cruise ship? Where's their survival manual? Where are their required observation instruments? Where's their lifeboat AI?

Don't tell me their lifeboat doesn't have any of this stuff. It's a lifeboat. They are members of a spacefaring civilization venturing out into the boonies. Spacefaring civilizations will have rules about required equipment and lifeboats.

Rules will not always be followed. Things will go terribly awry, on occasion. But there had better be a reasonable explanation, e.g. gobsmacking incompetence, cluelesness, corruption, nefarious intent on behalf of mysterious parties... Which brings us back to your heroes' home world(s), and the history and politics thereof.
Natasja

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Re: Just roaring and ranting.
Posted: Nov 1, 2017 9:15 PM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
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Ugh, THOSE people...

Why yes, I could write faster, if I wanted to churn out complete crap that no-one would want to read and completely clashed with the main storyline.
Of course I could set aside more time to write; it's not like I have a day job regularly involving 6:00am starts and 12-hour work days. Nor do I require food and sleep at some point. Fresh air and friends are for losers!
No, writing isn't difficult at all, which is why you assholes have never made the attempt. It's not like keeping a cohesive storyline and a full cast of characters on track are things I need to constantly check while writing.
Nor is taking the time to get my work edited, which sometimes has to wait until I have the spare money to afford it, an important part of the publishing process. Nor does my editor have other projects, a family, and a life to balance, as well as whatever I send her...

I try to get at least 2 books a year, one every 4-6 months, and have several going at a time. I'm currently doing NaNoWriMo, with a story that keeps spawning plot bunnies, so I should have one book and a short story collection by the end of the year.

You are doing fantastic, and they don't have the first clue what they're talking about. Don't let it get you down.
C. Gold

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Re: Just roaring and ranting.
Posted: Nov 1, 2017 10:30 PM   in response to: Natasja in response to: Natasja
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Spawning plot bunnies! HAHA. I know the feeling. I'm ignoring the one that spawned just before this month started in an attempt to plow through my book 2. I have a feeling it will demand it's say though before the month is over.
Natasja

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Re: Just roaring and ranting.
Posted: Nov 2, 2017 12:23 AM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
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Seriously, I'm seven chapters (and about 10,000 words of future scenes) in, and I've already got THIRTEEN short story ideas that won't fit into the main narrative! Plus, the staff at my usual writing cafe have asked me to sit in the chair facing the wall, as my maniacal grin is apparently scaring the other patrons.

Honestly, just because I'm currently running off sugar and caffeinated beverages...
Antoine Turpin

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Re: Just roaring and ranting.
Posted: Nov 2, 2017 2:16 AM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
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This made my day!

It's funny that people that know nothing about writing, marketing or promoting always have some way of telling you how to do it.

When I am asked how my book is doing, my first thought that comes to my mind is 'are you asking me about my book sales?', probably as this is the only way they can measure success.

My usual response now is 'If you want to discuss the pros or cons you found in my book, let's chat, but if you want to know how my sales are...well that's kind of personal'.

Glad to hear it's not just me but it's sad that we have to deal with it in the first place!
Moshe Ben-Or

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Re: Just roaring and ranting.
Posted: Nov 2, 2017 7:21 AM   in response to: Natasja in response to: Natasja
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a story that keeps spawning plot bunnies

Tell me about it! And they keep multiplying like... bunnies!!!

Good thing I have sequels to stick them into. Or other books, or something...
C. Gold

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Re: Just roaring and ranting.
Posted: Nov 2, 2017 1:53 PM   in response to: Moshe Ben-Or in response to: Moshe Ben-Or
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I think you need to spend that energy on writing this month! I certainly don't want to be the cause of yet more plot bunnies spawning than we already have out here!
patrick walsh

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Re: Just roaring and ranting.
Posted: Nov 2, 2017 2:00 PM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
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Writing takes time. I've now written 7 books in three years which sounds good.

Only problem was that it took me over thirty years of writing to get to that point. Just keep chipping away, you'll get there.
Mary Peebels

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Re: Just roaring and ranting.
Posted: Nov 2, 2017 2:05 PM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
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I've been to quite a few parties with people giving advice about things they've never done. :)
Mr. O

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Re: Just roaring and ranting.
Posted: Nov 8, 2017 5:54 PM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
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Everyone is a critic.
Don't worry too much about the words of people who really don't know what they're talking about. I managed to write my first 'novel' in a short month this year and change due to my enthusiasm for writing, and have written more things for nine years now. I'll break those arguments down.

"Write More"
Well, that's a good one. To get better, you pretty much have to. But to that guy, he probably meant this in a way to be condescending. "Well, a real writer would have more books or a longer novel." Something like that?

"Write quicker"
Writing quicker doesn't mean a thing if your ideas or work aren't genuine and you're not into it. I tend to have ideas, but building up to them is the issue at times, and I tend to struggle with it. Sometimes when I do write and an idea clicks, I can write quicker only because my ideas and structure flow consecutively. When one isn't in unison with the other, that's when you can't write quicker without making some half-hearted material that doesn't mesh well. You'd be surprised how easy it is to say something than doing it.

"Write a book a week"
Unless you're writing children's books or you have everything on point and you just write things nonstop with no breaks, this is also a stupid argument. Writing a book can take a week. Writing a good book takes longer. Don't let them get under your skin. Alternate scenario, they're jealous you can read and write. The average American in my opinion can't spell simple words or use proper punctuation (Not saying I'm perfect with my grammar, but one look at a YouTube video's comments reassures my stance on society). They're in no place to make critiques on a subject they know nothing of, nor are they worth your time to worry about.

Keep doing what you do and move on.
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