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Brad the wronger

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 7, 2017 3:30 AM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
 
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I unpublished and republished the exact same stories, but used a very English name. My sales tripled.

My wife had a 'foreign sounding name'. She complained occasionally that if she had used a white pen name and had mostly white characters but kept the same stories, her sales would've doubled or tripled. Good for her for not selling her soul (or selling out on her heritage) to sell more books.
Brad the wronger

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 7, 2017 3:39 AM   in response to: Moshe Ben-Or in response to: Moshe Ben-Or
 
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Seems to me that the people most worried about gatekeepers are the ones feeling insecure about their ability as a writer and inadequate about the length of their book.
Brad the wronger

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 7, 2017 3:50 AM   in response to: Mrs Julia Evans in response to: Mrs Julia Evans
 
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I don't need you to explain what you wrote or meant. My reading comprehension is just fine. I fully understand your thinly-veiled insults to me and to so many others.
steven morris

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 7, 2017 4:31 AM   in response to: Brad the wronger in response to: Brad the wronger
 
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No need for gatekeepers. If a book's good enough, and interesting enough, I reckon it'll always be found and read.
Mrs Julia Evans

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 7, 2017 4:54 AM   in response to: Brad the wronger in response to: Brad the wronger
 
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Brad,

I now see that you've chosen to twist my words and be affronted by whatever I say, as you've perceived my comment to be an insult to your wife. It wasn't then, and still isn't intended to be so. On the very rare occassion I am ever moved to insult someone, I am usually beyond the point where I feel the need to veil it, thinly or at all.

My comment was in reference to a specific and very small category of books, and not intended to be applied to authors generally, or the world at large. If you thought otherwise, then I obviously failed miserably to explain myself.

That being said, I will most certainly offer an unreserved apology if any offense was taken by anyone who read into my comment, a meaning that was not intended to be there.

I will endeavour, in future, to ensure that my posts leave no room for ambiguity or misunderstanding.

And, despite not altering your opinion of me one jot, I still offer you my very best wishes.

J
Elodie

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 7, 2017 7:13 AM   in response to: Brad the wronger in response to: Brad the wronger
 
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Brad the wronger wrote:
I unpublished and republished the exact same stories, but used a very English name. My sales tripled.

My wife had a 'foreign sounding name'. She complained occasionally that if she had used a white pen name and had mostly white characters but kept the same stories, her sales would've doubled or tripled. Good for her for not selling her soul (or selling out on her heritage) to sell more books.

I've never said anything about selling out, I just said I've run some tests, and readers seem more likely to go for English names.
I've been using my own name again for quite a while now.
Jonathan B

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 7, 2017 8:17 AM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
 
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Elodie wrote:
Brad the wronger wrote:
I unpublished and republished the exact same stories, but used a very English name. My sales tripled.

My wife had a 'foreign sounding name'. She complained occasionally that if she had used a white pen name and had mostly white characters but kept the same stories, her sales would've doubled or tripled. Good for her for not selling her soul (or selling out on her heritage) to sell more books.

I've never said anything about selling out, I just said I've run some tests, and readers seem more likely to go for English names.
I've been using my own name again for quite a while now.

I'm not saying you or anyone else "sold out," but depending on a writer's goals, what some would consider selling out isn't necessarily a bad thing, in my opinion. If I had a dozen kids and a spouse addicted to white truffles, and my literary subject of choice had about 30 fans in the entire world, I think I'd consider writing something else. And if I realized that changing the enthnicity or gender of my name would increase sales, then that's what I'd do. Just remember, that's not always changing to white male. Many male romance writers use female pen names. I know one mid-level writer who adopted a very black-urban sounding name and uses a "gansta" looking photo of a young black man for his back-cover author photo.

I'm too egotistical not to use my name in my books, and I'm lucky in that most of my genres are commercially viable, but I wouldnt fault anyone who manipulates his or her pen name to maximize sales. Some of us are artistes who wouldn't consider that, and more power to them, but all of us have different goals in being a writer.

gajanan khirao

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 7, 2017 8:26 AM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
 
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Dear Elodie ,
Name is not just name its identity. I think you can do anything for money, but i will never change my identity.
I would prefer to sell book free of cost .

Gajanan Khirao.
Elodie

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 7, 2017 9:32 AM   in response to: Jonathan B in response to: Jonathan B
 
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Jonathan B wrote:
Elodie wrote:
Brad the wronger wrote:
I unpublished and republished the exact same stories, but used a very English name. My sales tripled.

My wife had a 'foreign sounding name'. She complained occasionally that if she had used a white pen name and had mostly white characters but kept the same stories, her sales would've doubled or tripled. Good for her for not selling her soul (or selling out on her heritage) to sell more books.

I've never said anything about selling out, I just said I've run some tests, and readers seem more likely to go for English names.
I've been using my own name again for quite a while now.

I'm not saying you or anyone else "sold out," but depending on a writer's goals, what some would consider selling out isn't necessarily a bad thing, in my opinion. If I had a dozen kids and a spouse addicted to white truffles,

Luckily I have neither of those.
and my literary subject of choice had about 30 fans in the entire world, I think I'd consider writing something else.
I do have about 30 (if not less) fans, you mind reader :D but I love what I write, so aren't considering writing anything else.
And if I realized that changing the enthnicity or gender of my name would increase sales, then that's what I'd do. Just remember, that's not always changing to white male. Many male romance writers use female pen names. I know one mid-level writer who adopted a very black-urban sounding name and uses a "gansta" looking photo of a young black man for his back-cover author photo.
I haven't changed gender, but I do know that if I had a different name I'd more than likely have more sales. It's something that does bug me sometimes, but I kinda like my name. Although most people can't pronounce it properly, it's different and stands out, so when I do get a new fan, I'm hoping that will work in my favour.
I'm too egotistical not to use my name in my books, and I'm lucky in that most of my genres are commercially viable, but I wouldnt fault anyone who manipulates his or her pen name to maximize sales. Some of us are artistes who wouldn't consider that, and more power to them, but all of us have different goals in being a writer.
It's good to have different goals. It's the same as being different as people. If everything and everyone was the same, the world would be a very boring place.
Moshe Ben-Or

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 7, 2017 10:19 AM   in response to: Brad the wronger in response to: Brad the wronger
 
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I don't need you to explain what you wrote or meant. My reading comprehension is just fine. I fully understand your thinly-veiled insults to me and to so many others.

You are being overly sensitive for no good reason. It is perfectly normal and natural for people to want to read things written by and about people like themselves. It is also perfectly natural for a person in the age of self-publishing to make assumptions about the probable language skills of would-be authors based on their names. There is no need to throw thinly veiled accusations of racism around where no racism exists.

Now, if I published as Alexander Morrison, Yosi Weismann were Joe Harford, etc, etc, I would expect to get plenty more sales from US readers. This is the route e.g. Isaac Asimov was told to go, back in the days of editors and slush piles. It certainly worked for him.

But so what? I don't want to write about Joe Harford, Man from Texas, landing on the Planet of California Hippies. I want to write real literature for people who want to read real literature. Unlike Isaac Asimov, I do not depend on my book sales for a living, and I probably never will.

Lately, I seem to have a very large number of international readers who have no problem with Yosi Weismann being who he is, or identifying with the world he lives in. When I think about it, I quite understand why a reader from e.g. Guatemala or Ghana might find Yosi's world much more familiar than a reader from e.g. Idaho or Iowa. Unsurprisingly, I also seem to have traffic from the Middle East.

It's all about your goals. The two signature questions at the center of the Babylon 5 storyline apply in full:

Who are you?

What do you want?
Jonathan B

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 7, 2017 1:42 PM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
 
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Elodie wrote:
I haven't changed gender, but I do know that if I had a different name I'd more than likely have more sales. It's something that does bug me sometimes, but I kinda like my name. Although most people can't pronounce it properly, it's different and stands out, so when I do get a new fan, I'm hoping that will work in my favour.

I like my name, too. It may not be exciting, but it is my name. I have written two books under a pen name, once for potential legal problems from the government of the country where I worked for a time, and I hated pushing the Publish button with that pen name in place.

I met a Writers of the Future winner two weekends ago. His first name is extremely unique, and even after he told me, I still don't know how to pronounce it. But I promise you that if I ever see a book with his name on the cover, I will remember who he is. :)
La Venta West

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 7, 2017 4:51 PM   in response to: Moshe Ben-Or in response to: Moshe Ben-Or
 
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I confess that, thanks to authors with names like Coelho, Hosseini, Ondaatje, and Martel, I make assumptions about the language skills - and content - of authors with non-English sounding names.

I assume that they're probably writing something profound, and that it will probably make me cry. To top it off, their beautiful prose will likely make me feel utterly inadequate as a writer. Therefore, it is best to avoid such non-English sounding authors entirely ;) (In case this gets misunderstood, that was tongue-in-cheek. I regularly read works in translation, and have read the major - and some minor - works of the aforementioned authors).

Of course, they all have editors and translators, or a strong grasp of the English language...
Moshe Ben-Or

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Posted: Nov 8, 2017 7:42 AM   in response to: La Venta West in response to: La Venta West
 
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Of course, they all have editors and translators, or a strong grasp of the English language...

And they are not self-published. Let's just say that I would not compare such outliers to the average case before us. Thanks to KDP, the Zon has become an exhibition ground for Dunning-Kruger poster children.
Salamander Mall...

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 8, 2017 10:37 AM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
 
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Elodie wrote:
Brad the wronger wrote:
I unpublished and republished the exact same stories, but used a very English name. My sales tripled.

My wife had a 'foreign sounding name'. She complained occasionally that if she had used a white pen name and had mostly white characters but kept the same stories, her sales would've doubled or tripled. Good for her for not selling her soul (or selling out on her heritage) to sell more books.

I've never said anything about selling out, I just said I've run some tests, and readers seem more likely to go for English names.
I've been using my own name again for quite a while now.

Yes, there are great writers penning away in "foreign parts," but are they here? We see a plea for feedback, advice, reviews, etc, then see that the poster's name is more common to India or Wherever-istan. Based on past results and nothing else, the first thought is, Oh, God, not another one. But, of course it is, it always is, another clueless, hopeless, barely literate scribbler traveling the gold-paved road to being a Kindle Millionaire, earnestly believing the English-speaking world is breathlessly awaiting epic novels less than a dozen pages long, financial advice from someone who doesn't even have a website, endless stanzas of doggeral, nonfiction not even as good as Wikipedia, or novels without a single line of dialogue. It's not the name, of course, because they could all change their names, but the books would still be unreadable and unsellable. It's not a racist or nationalist response to the name...more Pavlovian, I think.

Unfortunately, we also get plenty of the same requests from writers with more common names, usually with similar results. Perhaps it's not the name, but the desperation driving them...writing in a foreign tongue makes them more anxious, less confident, more prone to seek approval. Seems to me English-speaking hacks are more likely to rush their drivel to market, less prone to seek anyone's approval. They think speaking English means they can write. Ah, if only that were so.
C. Gold

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 8, 2017 1:54 PM   in response to: Salamander Mall... in response to: Salamander Mall...
 
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I once heard (wish I remembered where) that you need to have a certain competency with a skill in order to realize you aren't good at that skill. It's like people have blinders on and think they are amazing when people more competent look at them and shake their heads thinking how on earth could that person not realize how bad they are. So I'm guessing the people posting here asking for feedback truly feel like their work is good and don't understand why we think it's not. Then they get angry and make excuses for why they won't change things. And I'm left to wonder why they asked for feedback in the first place.

Now there are a few exceptions. Some people have benefited from the advice given here and have since produced some good stuff. I'm here for those people. I'll keep giving honest feedback. People can reject that advice or accept it just like they can put out garbage or put in the extra effort to make their work shine. I would love to help everyone, but you can't help people who aren't willing to accept that help or who don't think they need it.
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