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Gary Zimmer

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Sigil
Posted: Nov 8, 2017 3:49 PM
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Attempting to use Sigil for TOC issues....when I Open the Manuscript....the Sigil page (on which the content should appear) simply prints PK....I am using Windows 10....is it possible that this version of Sigil is just for Windows 7 and will not work for W 10?
Notjohn

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Re: Sigil
Posted: Nov 8, 2017 4:07 PM   in response to: Gary Zimmer in response to: Gary Zimmer
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Well, I have a Win 10 laptop that I fully intend to build a book on next month, but this will be my first trial with it. But I'm reasonably sure that Win 10 is not an obstacle, or the subject surely would have come up on the MobileRead Sigil forum long before now.

Are you opening an html file? You can't of course simply feed it a Word doc.

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Gary Zimmer

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Re: Sigil
Posted: Nov 8, 2017 5:44 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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Thanks Notjohn--Apparently I'm in way over my head...you have suggested casually in a couple of posts I've seen that one should use 'Sigil'...I didn't realize that html was involved. I assumed, incorrectly apparently, that I could just download a manuscript and simply follow instructions.

I know a little html but not enough to be versatile with it ....interacting with other programs....
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Re: Sigil
Posted: Nov 9, 2017 2:44 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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Windows 10 is definitely not an obstacle. I have published books, via Sigil, on Windows 10 without problems. Sigil will open an Html file or an ePub. Nothing else.
Gary Zimmer

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Re: Sigil
Posted: Nov 9, 2017 11:28 AM   in response to: davidwaine1 in response to: davidwaine1
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Hello David--your response helps! Thank you.....

The uploaded manuscript is the file below. How do I get Sigil to accept the file name?

Since it is uploaded (to KDP) I assume it is ePub and acceptable to Sigil

Upload eBook manuscript

Manuscript "TarRev 11 05 17.docx" uploaded successfully!

Processing your file...

When I go to Sigil it asks me to 'Open' a file.....when I select the 'Word' manuscript (I understand that
you've said only ePub and HTML will open in Sigil) obviously Sigil will not accept it.

How do I get Sigil to 'receive' the file?

Thanks!

huemann

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Re: Sigil
Posted: Nov 9, 2017 5:08 PM   in response to: Gary Zimmer in response to: Gary Zimmer
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Gary Zimmer wrote:
How do I get Sigil to 'receive' the file?

Open your document in Word. Save, export, or publish it in Word to HTML. It is a Menu option in Word. Now you have your doc in HTML. Import that into Sigil.

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Re: Sigil
Posted: Nov 9, 2017 10:16 PM   in response to: Gary Zimmer in response to: Gary Zimmer
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The file you uploaded has the suffix, .docx, which means it is a Word file, not an ePub. You can upload a Word file to KDP, and it should work, although you will need to compile your Table of Contents manually, if you do.

You have several options:

1: Leave it as it is. That assumes you know how to compile a Table of Contents with bookmarks and hyperlinks..

2: Save the original document as Html (File Menu). Open Sigil, then click File and Open. A dialogue box will appear, allowing you to open the Html file. Sigil is simple to use, but I recommend giving the User Guide a thorough peruse first. Fortunately, it is intelligently laid out and easy to follow. It will convert your Html file to ePub and create a Table of Contents for you.

3: Forget ePub and use Kindle Create instead. This is a free download from KDP. It will convert a Word file directly to a new format, called .kpf, which will upload to KDP directly, and also compiles a Table of Contents for you. Kindle Create gives you a lot of control over the final appearance of your work, so I particularly recommend it. Its drawback is that the .kpf format is ONLY compatible with Kindle. If you also want to release your book on other platforms, such as iBooks, Nook or Kobo, you will need to make separate files to accommodate them. They will all accept ePubs. Alternatively, you could sign up to Smashwords, which will convert your Word (.docx) file to pretty well every format going, including Kindle, and release it accordingly.

For all its theoretical advantages, Smashwords has nothing like Amazon's market dominance, although there are writers who have achieved much success there. Issuing your work on Kindle only, however, is not as limiting as it might at first appear. For one thing, it allows you to take advantage of the marketing facilities available in KDP Select. For another, the Kindle App can be downloaded, free of charge, to iPads, iPhones, Android tablets and phones and computers. You don't need to buy a Kindle to read Kindle books. Your potential market will still be huge, given that Kindle dominates the ebook world anyway.
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Re: Sigil
Posted: Nov 10, 2017 2:23 AM   in response to: Gary Zimmer in response to: Gary Zimmer
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The best guide to using Sigil I've come across is to be found on this website: http://www.rshelton.org/2014/04/how-to-create-new-blank-e-pub-using.html
Not that specific page on its own. If you scroll down to the bottom you will see a lot of links to previous posts which if you study them will walk you through the whole process of making an ePub using Sigil. This was what I used and I found it extremely helpful.
One bit of advice I would add is make sure your book is fully polished before you convert it. You can make edits afterwards in Sigil but they are a lot easier to do when it is a Word document. :)
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Re: Sigil
Posted: Nov 10, 2017 3:43 AM   in response to: Gary Zimmer in response to: Gary Zimmer
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Use Word2CleanHtml online.

I replied at greater length but got modded. Should turn up tomorrow, if the Supportsters are working on the holiday weekend.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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Gary Zimmer

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Re: Sigil
Posted: Nov 10, 2017 3:59 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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Thanks to all! I will continue to work with this tomorrow! I am impressed with all of those like me who are not technically oriented. What endurance and perseverance all of you display to work through these issues to eventually emerge with an acceptable product!

Authors are one thing.....mechanical technical plodders are much more admirable.
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Re: Sigil
Posted: Nov 10, 2017 4:51 AM   in response to: Gary Zimmer in response to: Gary Zimmer
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Gary Zimmer wrote:
Authors are one thing.....mechanical technical plodders are much more admirable.

Some of us are both; by choice, not from necessity. In some ways, I enjoy the "mechanical technical plodding" as much as I do writing. Formatting (whether print or e-book) uses a different part of my brain, and it gives the creative side a chance to relax. If it only paid enough per hour, I'd set up an e-book formatting and cover design business and do it full time.
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Posted: Nov 10, 2017 11:52 AM   in response to: writerbn in response to: writerbn
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Formatting (whether print or e-book) uses a different part of my brain, and it gives the creative side a chance to relax.

I agree. I can work all morning (5 to 12) on a chapter, and then turn around in the afternoon and build an epub or PDF of a book (preferably a different book). I could never do that afternoon session if I were still writing. I rather like the nitty-gritty stuff. It would logically be tiring, but is in fact relaxing.

If it only paid enough per hour, I'd set up an e-book formatting and cover design business and do it full time.

Well, before you do anything reckless in that direction, you might want to have a heart-to-heart talk with Hitch!

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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writerbn

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Re: Sigil
Posted: Nov 10, 2017 12:04 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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Notjohn wrote:
If it only paid enough per hour, I'd set up an e-book formatting and cover design business and do it full time.

Well, before you do anything reckless in that direction, you might want to have a heart-to-heart talk with Hitch!


Don't worry; I have no plans to do so. Working with corporate clients is far more viable financially, compared to working with indie authors. :)
Gary Zimmer

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Re: Sigil
Posted: Nov 10, 2017 9:49 PM   in response to: writerbn in response to: writerbn
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As earlier explained, I have downloaded the book (actually many times while fixing problems) and the TOC that I spent many hours learning to complete is in the downloaded version....showing Chapter headings in blue...but that's it....they just show in blue....they aren't clickable. Is that because the book is not yet 'officially published'?

Why would they show in blue if they were not 'eventually' clickable?

And why would writers new to KDP not be warned (at some point) that creating a TOC that is clickable in Word will not be clickable when the MS is downloaded in the KDP publishing process?

I am not complaining....I understand that newbies have to learn some of this stuff through research but I seem to be finding out that there are many, many different in depth programs (Sigil as an example but just one of many suggested in this thread) that those computer savvy types either know already or, with their knowledge, can master easily, while we plodders can learn but it becomes a trial and error thing that takes days, sometimes weeks ....to learn.

And at my age learning all of this additional material prevents me from creating that which I can't get published because of the small, annoying problems like making a series of lines (table separated by spaces) that are perfectly orderly in Word and, when published, are a foreign country apart from each other...in other words 'disorderly'. So, I count the spaces needed to make them orderly and either delete or add as needed....yes, I was warned that Word, when downloaded to the KDP publishing process, becomes a bit garbled here and there. Actually, I'm amazed that the great majority of the book is in perfect order.....but, again, that time thing.....I am struggling with choosing to learn Sigil because I am being advised to use it with html....and my knowledge of html is microscopic.....
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Re: Sigil
Posted: Nov 10, 2017 11:19 PM   in response to: Gary Zimmer in response to: Gary Zimmer
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A Table of Contents is really a series of hyperlinks, which should, as you have mentioned, be blue. If you have set them up correctly, they should work, published or not. That they don't work suggests that there is an error somewhere. A hyperlink can only work if it has something to link to. Each chapter heading should be bookmarked and also set as a hyperlink, linked back to the Table of Contents. If you have already done this, and it still isn't working, I would recommend approaching the matter from a new angle.

Go back to your original document and delete the ToC. Then either make an Html file to work on in Sigil, or open the Word file in Kindle Create. Both of these programs will make a working ToC for you, and also give you quite a bit of control over how your book is laid out on a Kindle. Sigil will produce an ePub, Create a .kpf file, both of which should upload to KDP without problems.
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