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Laura Clarke

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Print on Demand
Posted: Nov 21, 2017 6:34 AM
 
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I am doing some research for an author and I'm finding it hard to find straight answers, also I'm very new to this. Is it possible for an author to order a couple of hundred of their books through print on demand? What are the approximate costs and can you get a discount? Thanks everyone!
Diana Persaud

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Re: Print on Demand
Posted: Nov 21, 2017 6:39 AM   in response to: Laura Clarke in response to: Laura Clarke
 
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Research Create Space. It will tell you the price based on # of pages, black and white vs color and trim size.

Authors can order books at cost plus shipping and taxes.

I don't use KDP Print Beta but I've heard that author copies are now an option. This might be a good option (cheaper shipping) if the author is located outside of the US.

ETA: Authors don't need to buy a bunch of books and keep them on hand UNLESS they are going to be selling those books themselves. If you want your book to be printed when a customer orders it from Amazon, Create Space (or KDP Print BETA) is the way to go.

I recommend Create Space, though I haven't used KDP Print Beta.

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MR R J LAIDLER

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Re: Print on Demand
Posted: Nov 21, 2017 8:57 AM   in response to: Laura Clarke in response to: Laura Clarke
 
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If your author just wants a couple of hundred books printed then try talking to local printing companies. Amazon doesn't have a monopoly on short run printing. Indeed, I think they use the very companies you could approach directly. There will be a minimum order number if you want to keep the cost per copy down. I'm based in the UK and looked at this recently and was surprised how cheap it was.

But as Diana says, if your author just wants to get into print then print on demand is the answer. Under this system a single copy is printed when a customer orders a copy. It works well but if colour is needed, say for a cookbook, then the price is generally prohibitive.

Createspace is the more established POD provider. KDP Print is new but it can be mastered but at the moment you can't get author copies from it once you have published the book. They may offer this later but I wouldn't hold your breath. :)
Emily Veinglory

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Re: Print on Demand
Posted: Nov 21, 2017 11:17 AM   in response to: MR R J LAIDLER in response to: MR R J LAIDLER
 
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KDP Print now does offer wholesale author copies as well as proofs. But setting the book to minimum price and ordering with prime (free shipping) can still be the cheaper option.
Notjohn

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Re: Print on Demand
Posted: Nov 22, 2017 2:29 AM   in response to: Emily Veinglory in response to: Emily Veinglory
 
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KDP Print now does offer wholesale author copies as well as proofs

To everyone, or to random accounts?

setting the book to minimum price and ordering with prime (free shipping) can still be the cheaper option.

Well, for one copy. But what if you want ten? Or fifty? How much does this author copies cost, if you can afford to let Amazon have its 40 percent? I usually pay about $3.50 a copy from CreateSpace, plus something else than a dollar for shipping in lots of ten. I've never bought fewer than ten, so I don't know how that prices out.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

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Sarah E. Holroyd

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Re: Print on Demand
Posted: Nov 24, 2017 11:51 AM   in response to: MR R J LAIDLER in response to: MR R J LAIDLER
 
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MR R J LAIDLER wrote:
Amazon doesn't have a monopoly on short run printing. Indeed, I think they use the very companies you could approach directly.
Not exactly. Amazon has its own POD equipment in several Amazon warehouse facilities, and for places where they don't have the equipment, they contract with Ingram's printing function, Lightning Source (Ingram is the largest book distributor in the US, and operates LSI and IngramSpark for POD).

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MR R J LAIDLER

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Posted: Nov 24, 2017 12:34 PM   in response to: Sarah E. Holroyd in response to: Sarah E. Holroyd
 
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Sarah E. Holroyd wrote:
MR R J LAIDLER wrote:
Amazon doesn't have a monopoly on short run printing. Indeed, I think they use the very companies you could approach directly.
Not exactly. Amazon has its own POD equipment in several Amazon warehouse facilities, and for places where they don't have the equipment, they contract with Ingram's printing function, Lightning Source (Ingram is the largest book distributor in the US, and operates LSI and IngramSpark for POD).

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My experience is only here in the UK but it doesn't surprise me they have their own printing facilities here. But I suspect they also use other companies as copies of my paperback differ, suggesting they are made by different people.
But my main point was if you want a hundred copies of your book printed you might find a company locally who will print them for you.
Notjohn

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Re: Print on Demand
Posted: Nov 24, 2017 3:52 PM   in response to: MR R J LAIDLER in response to: MR R J LAIDLER
 
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My books (via CreateSpace) always say on the back page where they were printed. Not so yours?

From what I've read, there are two POD providers in Europe, one in the UK and the other in Poland.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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MR R J LAIDLER

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Re: Print on Demand
Posted: Nov 25, 2017 3:16 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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Notjohn wrote:
My books (via CreateSpace) always say on the back page where they were printed. Not so yours?

From what I've read, there are two POD providers in Europe, one in the UK and the other in Poland.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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From memory they say "Printed in Great Britain" or something like that. I'm away from home at the moment so can't check.
But how Amazon make their POD books isn't something I have any knowledge of. I was only guessing they used more than one company because I could see differences between books which made me think they were printed in different places. :)
sherwood1966

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Re: Print on Demand
Posted: Nov 28, 2017 10:52 AM   in response to: Laura Clarke in response to: Laura Clarke
 
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So the answer would be ... what? I had five of my stories on CreateSpace. I recently updated them and moved them over to Amazon. Where is the option for me to order 10 books or 100? I don't see that there. I do see that I now have to pay the same price as everybody else if I wish to order a copy of my book. Buying it for $9.00 is a lot different than buying it for $3.50.
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Re: Print on Demand
Posted: Nov 28, 2017 11:01 AM   in response to: sherwood1966 in response to: sherwood1966
 
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sherwood1966 wrote:
So the answer would be ... what? I had five of my stories on CreateSpace. I recently updated them and moved them over to Amazon. Where is the option for me to order 10 books or 100? I don't see that there. I do see that I now have to pay the same price as everybody else if I wish to order a copy of my book. Buying it for $9.00 is a lot different than buying it for $3.50.

As mentioned in other posts, KDP-Print does not offer that option to all, perhaps not even a majority of writers yet. If it is on your Bookshelf, you have it; if not, then, no. KDP-Print is well into its second year, and still it struggles to offer the same options CreateSpace has for years.
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Posted: Nov 29, 2017 2:53 AM   in response to: sherwood1966 in response to: sherwood1966
 
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I had five of my stories on CreateSpace. I recently updated them and moved them over to Amazon.

Why did you do that? To save five seconds a day checking your sales on CS?

It would have been easier and more productive to forego checking. Or to have moved them to IngramSpark!

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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Donna St Felix

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Re: Print on Demand
Posted: Nov 29, 2017 7:18 AM   in response to: sherwood1966 in response to: sherwood1966
 
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sherwood1966 wrote:
So the answer would be ... what? I had five of my stories on CreateSpace. I recently updated them and moved them over to Amazon.

Since CreateSpace is Amazon (and with better options at CreateSpace), I fail to see where you gained.
It is apparent that you are confused.
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