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DDKimberley

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Re: Scrivener for Bundled ebook set
Posted: Dec 4, 2017 12:57 PM   in response to: Patrick A. Smith in response to: Patrick A. Smith
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Patrick A. Smith wrote:

2 questions. I guess I don't understand why you're even creating an e pub? All you need is a word doc.

I've never used scriv. I've only heard that it lets you move chapters around etc. I can do that with word. Does it do anything that word don't?


Well, I'll back up to the question I came here with first, because that seems to have gotten lost. I use Scrivener to write my books, and I've been a big fan of it all along. Now I'm looking to do something with it that I haven't done before and I don't know what to expect of the outcome. Furthermore, I also don't expect to be around if/when the file is ultimately published, so I'd like to KNOW what it's gonna look like. I'd like to know--if anyone knows--what Scrivener's presets are for 'Novel with Parts' and if those presets will work for a bundle of novels instead.

Now to your questions, Patrick.
1 a) I do not have word (don't believe in renting software) and 1b) even if I did, a word doc would not SHOW me what Amazon's gonna do with this file until after I upload it. Which, as noted above, I have no plans to do. It's something my heir thought she might be interested in doing at some point down the road, I'm just trying to make it easier for her.

2. As noted, I don't have word so I don't know what all it will do. I do know that it was created for business/office needs. Scrivener was created for and caters to the needs of writers. (Haha, and they SELL it rather than renting it, and upgrade free when they have upgrades.) Scrivener does much more than I've used it for, but it saved me the hassle of learning how to create a dynamic TOC for the epub--all I've gotta do is click a box saying 'yes, do that'. I didn't have to learn the Open Office work-around for starting pagination on the first page of the first chapter of the paperback--Scrivener did that automatically too. I don't even have to put in place holders to maintain line-breaks between scenes, Scrivener somehow knows how to tell Zon to leave my line-breaks alone. I didn't know it was an issue for others until people were talking about it here. But, as I say, it has many more features than those I've used. You can read an overview of it here http://literatureandlatte.com/scrivener/overview and there's is a 30 day free trial.
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Re: Scrivener for Bundled ebook set
Posted: Dec 4, 2017 1:23 PM   in response to: Patrick A. Smith in response to: Patrick A. Smith
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Patrick A. Smith wrote:

2 questions. I guess I don't understand why you're even creating an e pub? All you need is a word doc.

I've never used scriv. I've only heard that it lets you move chapters around etc. I can do that with word. Does it do anything that word don't?

Scrivener is to Word as a smartphone is to two tin cans and a piece of string.

But then, not everyone needs a smartphone :)
Patrick A. Smith

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Posted: Dec 4, 2017 5:12 PM   in response to: DDKimberley in response to: DDKimberley
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DDKimberley wrote:
Patrick A. Smith wrote:

2 questions. I guess I don't understand why you're even creating an e pub? All you need is a word doc.

I've never used scriv. I've only heard that it lets you move chapters around etc. I can do that with word. Does it do anything that word don't?

Well, I'll back up to the question I came here with first, because that seems to have gotten lost. I use Scrivener to write my books, and I've been a big fan of it all along. Now I'm looking to do something with it that I haven't done before and I don't know what to expect of the outcome. Furthermore, I also don't expect to be around if/when the file is ultimately published, so I'd like to KNOW what it's gonna look like. I'd like to know--if anyone knows--what Scrivener's presets are for 'Novel with Parts' and if those presets will work for a bundle of novels instead.

Now to your questions, Patrick.
1 a) I do not have word (don't believe in renting software) and 1b) even if I did, a word doc would not SHOW me what Amazon's gonna do with this file until after I upload it. Which, as noted above, I have no plans to do. It's something my heir thought she might be interested in doing at some point down the road, I'm just trying to make it easier for her.

2. As noted, I don't have word so I don't know what all it will do. I do know that it was created for business/office needs. Scrivener was created for and caters to the needs of writers. (Haha, and they SELL it rather than renting it, and upgrade free when they have upgrades.) Scrivener does much more than I've used it for, but it saved me the hassle of learning how to create a dynamic TOC for the epub--all I've gotta do is click a box saying 'yes, do that'. I didn't have to learn the Open Office work-around for starting pagination on the first page of the first chapter of the paperback--Scrivener did that automatically too. I don't even have to put in place holders to maintain line-breaks between scenes, Scrivener somehow knows how to tell Zon to leave my line-breaks alone. I didn't know it was an issue for others until people were talking about it here. But, as I say, it has many more features than those I've used. You can read an overview of it here http://literatureandlatte.com/scrivener/overview and there's is a 30 day free trial.


You can purchase Word, from MS, although its rather pricey. I've never used anything else. Thanks for responding.
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Re: Scrivener for Bundled ebook set
Posted: Dec 4, 2017 5:15 PM   in response to: writerbn in response to: writerbn
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writerbn wrote:
Patrick A. Smith wrote:

2 questions. I guess I don't understand why you're even creating an e pub? All you need is a word doc.

I've never used scriv. I've only heard that it lets you move chapters around etc. I can do that with word. Does it do anything that word don't?

Scrivener is to Word as a smartphone is to two tin cans and a piece of string.

But then, not everyone needs a smartphone :)


Well, in that case i might try it, lol. But please tell me some things it can do that my Word 2016 can't. All I've Heard people say is that you can move chapters or scenes around. I can do that in Word. As far as automatic table of contents I do that as well.

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Posted: Dec 5, 2017 4:46 AM   in response to: Patrick A. Smith in response to: Patrick A. Smith
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Patrick A. Smith wrote:
Well, in that case i might try it, lol. But please tell me some things it can do that my Word 2016 can't. All I've Heard people say is that you can move chapters or scenes around. I can do that in Word. As far as automatic table of contents I do that as well.

It's not a word processor, although it includes one. It's not even a formatting tool, although it can compile your manuscript into a variety of formats. It's designed to be an organizational tool, and it does that extremely well. I use it to keep my research organized and accessible, to build a charac*ter database so I don't forget somebody's eye color halfway through a novel, to keep maps of locations and local copies of web pages so I can access them offline, and a lot more. The "moving around" part that you refer to is called the corkboard view, and it's basically an interface that uses the metaphor of index cards for chapters and scenes so you can reorganize them if needed.

You can try the 30-day demo if you're curious. The Mac version is much better than the Windows one, however.
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Posted: Dec 5, 2017 5:27 AM   in response to: writerbn in response to: writerbn
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writerbn wrote:
Patrick A. Smith wrote:

2 questions. I guess I don't understand why you're even creating an e pub? All you need is a word doc.

I've never used scriv. I've only heard that it lets you move chapters around etc. I can do that with word. Does it do anything that word don't?

> Scrivener is to Word as a smartphone is to two tin cans and a piece of string.

But then, not everyone needs a smartphone :)

This^

Word used to lock up on me several times a day. Even now, when I use Word for my paperbacks (haven't learned how to do it yet in Scrivener), it locks up. Never had a problem with Scrivener. LOVE LOVE LOVE it. Can't recommend it enough.

Cheaper than Word and a million times BETTER than word. I don't know how anyone can try Scrivener and then go back to using Word. I actually bought it halfway through my 30 day trial, I loved it that much.

Scrivener is excellent for both Pantsers and Plotters.

OP,
As I noted before, I create my own templates, so what I did to create the box set was start with my own blank template. Novel might work but you may need to test and tweak it until you get it right. I would also make copies of everything so that you don't screw it up.

Under "Draft" (I also have a folder called Final Draft, but not sure if that's something I created or if it's always been there), create 3 folders, one per book. Within each folder, place your text files (one per chapter).
Before you compile you need to make sure your settings are the way you want. But if you forget, you can always go back and recompile. Doesn't take long. I test my ebooks on my Kindle and occasionally on the Kindle desktop reader.

When I did this for my box sets, 5 of them were written in word and only the last one was written in Scrivener. I had to import my MS and then play around to make it look the way I wanted it to.

Easy peasy once you get the hang of it.

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Posted: Dec 5, 2017 9:48 PM   in response to: writerbn in response to: writerbn
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writerbn wrote:
Patrick A. Smith wrote:
Well, in that case i might try it, lol. But please tell me some things it can do that my Word 2016 can't. All I've Heard people say is that you can move chapters or scenes around. I can do that in Word. As far as automatic table of contents I do that as well.

It's not a word processor, although it includes one. It's not even a formatting tool, although it can compile your manuscript into a variety of formats. It's designed to be an organizational tool, and it does that extremely well. I use it to keep my research organized and accessible, to build a charac*ter database so I don't forget somebody's eye color halfway through a novel, to keep maps of locations and local copies of web pages so I can access them offline, and a lot more. The "moving around" part that you refer to is called the corkboard view, and it's basically an interface that uses the metaphor of index cards for chapters and scenes so you can reorganize them if needed.

You can try the 30-day demo if you're curious. The Mac version is much better than the Windows one, however.


I have forgotten someone's hair color, so I just write it on my clipboard. Since it isn't a word proccessor it won't help with gramatical errors, so id still have to run it through word after using the program. I watched videos of it and like the cork board thing but really its not much different than the toc in word.

Also, i have a specific way I like to format and scrivener says it can compile into mobi etc. Since zon don't ask for an eBook, just a word doc, I wouldn't know it formatted it like I wanted at all. There again I would have to use word to format it... With the styles which are super simple. However the price is cheap so I might download and look at it. It says it "requires Windows 7". I had to look a long time to find out that it would also work in Windows 10.
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Posted: Dec 5, 2017 10:05 PM   in response to: Diana Persaud in response to: Diana Persaud
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Diana Persaud wrote:
writerbn wrote:
Patrick A. Smith wrote:

2 questions. I guess I don't understand why you're even creating an e pub? All you need is a word doc.

I've never used scriv. I've only heard that it lets you move chapters around etc. I can do that with word. Does it do anything that word don't?

Word used to lock up on me several times a day. Even now, when I use Word for my paperbacks (haven't learned how to do it yet in Scrivener), it locks up. Never had a problem with Scrivener. LOVE LOVE LOVE it. Can't recommend it enough.
Lock up? I've use Word 2000-2010 2013 and 2016. I can't imagine why your locks up must be a computer problem.

Cheaper than Word and a million times BETTER than word. I don't know how anyone can try Scrivener and then go back to using Word. I actually bought it halfway through my 30 day trial, I loved it that much.
What do you use for a grammar checker and a word processor? If there's no grammar checker it will let you get by with run-on sentences and no punctuation and all kind of errors.

Scrivener is excellent for both Pantsers and Plotters.
I'm a pantster for the rough draft, then go back and rewrite the story to make sense!

Under "Draft" (I also have a folder called Final Draft, but not sure if that's something I created or if it's always been there), create 3 folders, one per book. Within each folder, place your text files (one per chapter).
Before you compile you need to make sure your settings are the way you want. But if you forget, you can always go back and recompile. Doesn't take long. I test my ebooks on my Kindle and occasionally on the Kindle desktop reader.
Why? Zon creates perfect eBooks from a word doc or html. I've pubbed around 80 of them with none of the errors I see ppl post about.
With word styles are simple. I'd have to run word after using that program anyway.

When I write in word, i have chapters and formatting set so its already compiled as I write.
I watched videos and i like the looks of the corkboard, but its not much diff than the auto toc. I move the chapters around all I want. I did see that it automatically renumbered the chapters when they were moved on the corkboard in scriv. That's nice.

I will probably download it and give it a whirl. Thanks for responding!

More... I just found a great video on the program that really explains and shows what one can do in dcrivener. It is looking more interesting all the time!

Edited by: Patrick A. Smith on Dec 5, 2017 10:36 PM

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Posted: Dec 6, 2017 3:02 AM   in response to: Diana Persaud in response to: Diana Persaud
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LOVE LOVE LOVE it. Can't recommend it enough.

Every month or so I read the Vellum thread on Kboards Writers Cafe. Talk about love for a software!

I'm glad to know somebody loves Scrivener. We don't hear much about these purpose-built softwares on this forum. There were flurries about Jutoh long ago, but not much this year. Nor Atlantis Word Processor, which nobody seems to use.

As for Word, it shouldn't lock up. I've used it since Word 2000, not because I think it's a great word processor but because a clever Brit wrote most of the old DOS WordStar editing keys into a plug-in for Word -- and WordStar, that WAS a great word processor. So while I rough out everything in WordStar, I open it in Word for polishing, because DOS programs didn't know about curly quotes and all that fancy stuff. Plus editors expect to see it. Plus it's html based, and it's easy to clean up the awful html it produces.

But for formatting a print edition, I open the Word doc in OpenOffice Writer. I don't publish a book a month, so I can never remember the obscure Word procedures -- all those tabs on that "ribbon"! Plus OOW does so much better outputting the PDF.

My point being: any workflow is easy that you are accustomed to using and -- importantly! -- enjoy. If you enjoy Scrivener, that's half the battle right there.

But do something about your version of Word. (Or abandon it for OOW.) It shouldn't lock up.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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Posted: Dec 6, 2017 4:01 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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I worked on Office for many years as a software tester and I don't recall any version of Word experiencing a lot of lockups once it was released to customers. I've seen more issues with slow performance, especially for Office 95. However, I don't know how well the latest version performs since I refuse to buy a subscription. Word likes to autosave in the background, so maybe there's some hard drive glitch going on? Anyway, I just wanted to reassure folks that the locky upy thing isn't normal.
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Posted: Dec 6, 2017 4:38 AM   in response to: Patrick A. Smith in response to: Patrick A. Smith
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Patrick A. Smith wrote:
What do you use for a grammar checker and a word processor? If there's no grammar checker it will let you get by with run-on sentences and no punctuation and all kind of errors.
That's not the job of a word processor. You (or your editor) should be catching those problems.

I thinking you're looking at Scrivener in the wrong way. Give it a try; it won't cost anything but time.
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Posted: Dec 6, 2017 4:54 AM   in response to: writerbn in response to: writerbn
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Word squiggly underlines what it thinks is incorrect or not ideal. Maybe that's what they were talking about?

Not even Grammarly or ProWriteAid will find all the flaws because language is so wonderfully complex. You'll also want to have people good at grammar read your work before publishing it.
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Posted: Dec 6, 2017 5:19 AM   in response to: writerbn in response to: writerbn
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writerbn wrote:
Patrick A. Smith wrote:
What do you use for a grammar checker and a word processor? If there's no grammar checker it will let you get by with run-on sentences and no punctuation and all kind of errors.
That's not the job of a word processor. You (or your editor) should be catching those problems.

You're not joking I've been spending hours on the 1st chapter or two and on the blurb of my new book.

I thinking you're looking at Scrivener in the wrong way. Give it a try; it won't cost anything but time.

After watching videos till 3 a.m. this morning I intend to download it today :)
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Posted: Dec 6, 2017 5:24 AM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
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C. Gold wrote:
I worked on Office for many years as a software tester and I don't recall any version of Word experiencing a lot of lockups once it was released to customers. I've seen more issues with slow performance, especially for Office 95. However, I don't know how well the latest version performs since I refuse to buy a subscription. Word likes to autosave in the background, so maybe there's some hard drive glitch going on? Anyway, I just wanted to reassure folks that the locky upy thing isn't normal.

You don't have to buy a subscription. A few months ago I purchased Word 2016 and access 2016 for $110.00 each. I had to chat online at Micro soft to figure out a link to it since they're pushing Office 365 which I don't do.

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Yah, that's the one I meant - the 360. Eww :P
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