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alan pakaln

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Unauthorized paperback distribution, listed at cost so author could check
Posted: Dec 4, 2017 12:02 PM
 
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I guess this is part of my initiation into the wilds of Amazon publishing: created a book listing for $4.82 just to check printing, bought a few copies, and what do you know, in the time it took for me to buy and unpublish, langton_distribution had bought one and priced it at $29.25, $10.00 shipping. I was/am setting sale price at about $15. Whatever happened with a rumor I heard about Amazon creating a way for authors to purchase at cost, if for no other reason than to check on the printing before release – which is what I was trying to do. Any update of author at-cost purchase to check print copy? Thanks
Emily Veinglory

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Re: Unauthorized paperback distribution, listed at cost so author could check
Posted: Dec 4, 2017 12:14 PM   in response to: alan pakaln in response to: alan pakaln
 
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They didn't buy one. They just created the listing and will buy one of they get an order.

If you are talking about KDP there is already a system for buying proofs before publishing, your account may or may not also have the option to buy wholesale copies.
alan pakaln

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Re: Unauthorized paperback distribution, listed at cost so author could check
Posted: Dec 4, 2017 12:59 PM   in response to: Emily Veinglory in response to: Emily Veinglory
 
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I did not realize there is a proof available - I'll check for that - thanks. FYI - they actually may have one copy according to my print sales, sales were one higher than I bought.
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Re: Unauthorized paperback distribution, listed at cost so author could check
Posted: Dec 4, 2017 1:58 PM   in response to: alan pakaln in response to: alan pakaln
 
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If the third-party seller is listing your book at almost $30 when it was under $5 when you briefly made it available, then they were not the ones to buy it. Extra high prices always mean that they don't have your book but find it easier to have it listed and adjust the price up and down than to list and delist it.

So an actual customer must have bought it! Be happy.
Ralph E Vaughan

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Re: Unauthorized paperback distribution, listed at cost so author could check
Posted: Dec 4, 2017 2:33 PM   in response to: alan pakaln in response to: alan pakaln
 
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Nobody has bought your book. The paperback edition is being listed by booksellers. They don't need anyone's approval, permission or authorization to sell books. If a customer purchases a copy, the bookseller will order it and have it shipped directly to the customer by the POD company; when the transaction is processed, you'll receive the royalty stipulated in your contract for extended distribution (CreateSpace) or retail (KDP-Print).
alan pakaln

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Posted: Dec 4, 2017 2:33 PM   in response to: cdalebrittain in response to: cdalebrittain
 
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Thank you very much for your reply - I understand.
I just received this response from Amazon to my query:
"I checked your book and see that it is being listed by the seller. Please be informed that your title can be listed through Amazon.com, Amazon.com Marketplace sellers, and other websites with online retailers. When these channels receive a customer order, they can have it printed on demand and you will receive the appropriate royalty based on the channel in which the sale occurred."
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Posted: Dec 4, 2017 4:22 PM   in response to: alan pakaln in response to: alan pakaln
 
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Don't worry about it. All is well.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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http://notjohnkdp.blogspot.com
alan pakaln

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Posted: Dec 4, 2017 4:49 PM   in response to: alan pakaln in response to: alan pakaln
 
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One question remains: can a "distribution company" list my book on some channel other than Amazon? And list it for some higher price, say $29.25, without competition from the author, because this author has not listed in that distribution channel? In other words, list a $15 book somewhere other than Amazon, for $29.25, and actually sell there because there is no other price shown except the $29.25 - using Amazon print on demand, buying the book at $15 and selling for $29.25. Recognizing that the author gets a commission based on the $15 sale.
Do other distribution channels list Amazon paperbacks, and can anyone list them, not the author?
Thanks again.
Salamander Mall...

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Posted: Dec 4, 2017 5:04 PM   in response to: alan pakaln in response to: alan pakaln
 
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alan pakaln wrote:
One question remains: can a "distribution company" list my book on some channel other than Amazon? And list it for some higher price, say $29.25, without competition from the author, because this author has not listed in that distribution channel? In other words, list a $15 book somewhere other than Amazon, for $29.25, and actually sell there because there is no other price shown except the $29.25 - using Amazon print on demand, buying the book at $15 and selling for $29.25. Recognizing that the author gets a commission based on the $15 sale.
Do other distribution channels list Amazon paperbacks, and can anyone list them, not the author?
Thanks again.

What do you think booksellers do? If you don't want your book sold, why did you publish it?
Ralph E Vaughan

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Posted: Dec 4, 2017 5:17 PM   in response to: alan pakaln in response to: alan pakaln
 
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alan pakaln wrote:
One question remains: can a "distribution company" list my book on some channel other than Amazon? And list it for some higher price, say $29.25, without competition from the author, because this author has not listed in that distribution channel? In other words, list a $15 book somewhere other than Amazon, for $29.25, and actually sell there because there is no other price shown except the $29.25 - using Amazon print on demand, buying the book at $15 and selling for $29.25. Recognizing that the author gets a commission based on the $15 sale.
Do other distribution channels list Amazon paperbacks, and can anyone list them, not the author?
Thanks again.

As explained earlier, booksellers can list any paperback they want. It is simply a listing, as in a catalogue, not a claim they stock the book. They can also charge any price they wish. How they run their businesses is not anyone else's concern.

All of that also is true if they sell on Amazon. The only thing they cannot do on Amazon is create a separate sales page, usually done by adding a date to the date listing. All formats and sellers need to be accessible from the Amazon sales page. If a separate page has been created (it may be accidental), use the help section of your Author Central account to report it -- seller, isbn, stock number and title.
alan pakaln

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Re: Unauthorized paperback distribution, listed at cost so author could check
Posted: Dec 4, 2017 5:50 PM   in response to: Salamander Mall... in response to: Salamander Mall...
 
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I just don't understand how this business works - booksellers sell books, but who sets the price? Publishers? Here, I do. As to selling a photobook at a price higher than I think is warranted, someone might feel cheated, and blame the author, if a photo print book looks cheap (as Amazon can), yet sells for a relatively high price. In a sense the author can be held accountable by some for the price set - by either the author or others, in this case.
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Posted: Dec 4, 2017 5:58 PM   in response to: alan pakaln in response to: alan pakaln
 
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Some on-line booksellers have store fronts as well as an on-line presence, so yes, they can sell there any books they like. (They do obviously have to have them on hand to have them physically present in a regular store.) They can charge any price they like. No one will blame the author if the book seems overpriced. Rare books often have startlingly high prices. Think of it as advertising.

"Ooh, this book is worth $200!" (as one of mine was once listed). "Yet I can get on Amazon for only $15. Better buy it fast. It must be really good!"
Donna St Felix

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Re: Unauthorized paperback distribution, listed at cost so author could check
Posted: Dec 4, 2017 6:10 PM   in response to: alan pakaln in response to: alan pakaln
 
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alan pakaln wrote:
I just don't understand how this business works - booksellers sell books, but who sets the price? Publishers? Here, I do. As to selling a photobook at a price higher than I think is warranted, someone might feel cheated, and blame the author, if a photo print book looks cheap (as Amazon can), yet sells for a relatively high price. In a sense the author can be held accountable by some for the price set - by either the author or others, in this case.

The seller sets the price.
Example: Two shoe stores, side by side. They both order purple gym shoes with gold stars. They both pay $5 for each pair.
Store 1 sells them for $25. Store 2 sells them for $50. The distributor got his $5.
alan pakaln

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Re: Unauthorized paperback distribution, listed at cost so author could check
Posted: Dec 4, 2017 6:31 PM   in response to: Donna St Felix in response to: Donna St Felix
 
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Thanks. I get that. All the prices - 25, 50 - still become a reflection of the author, in some way. I think.
alan pakaln

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Posted: Dec 4, 2017 6:39 PM   in response to: alan pakaln in response to: alan pakaln
 
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And as our good friend, cdalebrittain, above wrote, a higher price by someone other than the author could be considered uplifting advertising.
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