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Re: Horrible cover image
Posted: Dec 24, 2017 12:31 PM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
 
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C. Gold wrote:
While the text is an improvement, the cover still fails to identify the genre of the story. This is a flaw in the original design. This is supposed to be a fantasy story with a group of people doing a quest.

When you have enough money for illustration:
Glenn Cook Fantasy Cover

Photo manip probably in decent price range:
Michael J. Sullivan Cover

Simpler Designs:
Sword
Black Cover
Dagger

All of these images have various tropes of fantasy or medieval combat elements on the cover to suggest what the book is about. You can find more ideas just scanning sword & sorcery fantasy book covers. I just grabbed these because they seemed useful ideas for a possible book cover for this book.


Agreed. It's one of the reasons that I suggested that the OP take the existing, or proposed, or (whatever) cover to CoverCritics.com . One of the things that they do is discuss this very topic--that a given cover may or may not be solid for its chosen genre. We've seen a number of covers that happened to be quite good--and utterly wrong for the purported genre.

HOWEVER, I still want to say that the reworked cover BL did is a huge improvement, visually, even if it doesn't address that immediate requirement (instant visual recognition as belong to genre X).

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C. Gold

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Re: Horrible cover image
Posted: Dec 24, 2017 7:21 PM   in response to: B.L. Alley in response to: B.L. Alley
 
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B.L. Alley wrote:
Mine is a simple mock up to show how a black helmet can work while making the overall cover more interesting. If I were asked to create the actual cover I'd learn what the story is about and why the imagery is relevant, or not, and go from there.

I'm not soliciting paid services, I'm trying to help a fellow author who already paid for services and, in my opinion, was cheated by someone claiming far more expertise than they possess.

Oh, I agree. I wasn't saying your cover was bad, I stated the original concept was flawed in case the OP wanted to go with your cover without thinking about how it doesn't speak to the genre.
B.L. Alley

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Re: Horrible cover image
Posted: Dec 24, 2017 8:27 PM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
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C. Gold

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Re: Horrible cover image
Posted: Dec 25, 2017 12:15 AM   in response to: B.L. Alley in response to: B.L. Alley
 
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Ooh that's sharp! You know what would look really cool? Have caveman drawings of medieval like battles on the wall.
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Posted: Dec 25, 2017 8:13 AM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
 
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Posted: Dec 25, 2017 11:21 AM   in response to: B.L. Alley in response to: B.L. Alley
 
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C. Gold

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Posted: Dec 25, 2017 2:23 PM   in response to: B.L. Alley in response to: B.L. Alley
 
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Coloring the bar the same as the helmet metal definitely improved the look.
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Posted: Dec 25, 2017 2:54 PM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
 
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Re: Horrible cover image
Posted: Dec 26, 2017 12:47 PM   in response to: Reverend Ryder in response to: Reverend Ryder
 
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I really loved the ideas, BL. Thanks a ton for all your support.

Even though it might not say much about the book, but the helmet actually fits into my story though (Not just a click bait haha). According to my book,

"It revealed an armor so black that would put darkness to shame." and "The armor flares up, seeping flames from the gaps between the plates".

And the protagonist uses that armor for most of his battles throughout the series and the story is mainly focused on him. So, I thought, why not choose a badass looking image of the protagonist in the armor? But when the rough sketches of a man in a black armor and a badass pose was presented, it seemed like a cliche to me.

Apart from that, the cover designers are working on it already and have just given me this short, color-fixed update as a temporary fix. The cover critics idea was awesome. I never knew about them before. Thank you.
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Posted: Dec 26, 2017 1:03 PM   in response to: Reverend Ryder in response to: Reverend Ryder
 
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C. Gold

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Posted: Dec 27, 2017 7:50 AM   in response to: B.L. Alley in response to: B.L. Alley
 
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It needs fire inside the armor to indicate magical and add lighting. Everything is getting too dark again.
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Posted: Dec 27, 2017 7:55 AM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
 
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C. Gold

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Posted: Dec 27, 2017 8:30 AM   in response to: B.L. Alley in response to: B.L. Alley
 
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light ING, not light NING, although crackly lightning shooting out the open arm ends and ...yeah... a bit much! :P
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