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C. Gold

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Re: Horrible cover image
Posted: Dec 29, 2017 11:26 PM   in response to: jm14 in response to: jm14
 
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I think the OP got the message somewhere in page 2 of the replies and is seeking a new one from the 'artist' who created the first one.
Ed Augusts

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Re: Horrible cover image
Posted: Dec 30, 2017 12:16 AM   in response to: Reverend Ryder in response to: Reverend Ryder
 
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I stared and stared at your original cover, and was shocked to read it portrayed a helmet. A helmet? Without symmetry? Gold and red squiggles and marks on sheer blackness? With no sign of a mouth, a nose, or two eyes?
Just because an evocative verse says one's armor was blacker than night, doesn't mean you HAVE to try to depict visions of unfathomable visual impossibility on your cover. Maybe an element in the foreground or bckground that would indicate to the potential reader what era, what culture, or what planet the book is set in, would be better for sales than worrying too much about what shades of darkness are wondrous enough.
I'm so glad to see a few people have gone the extra mile to show you possible solutions to your cover problem! A helmet that looks like a helmet, for instance! BRAVO to that!
Good luck!
booknookbiz

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Re: Horrible cover image
Posted: Dec 30, 2017 5:00 AM   in response to: B.L. Alley in response to: B.L. Alley
 
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B.L. Alley wrote:
The usual misdirected, self-serving criticisms unaccompanied by constructive help. Instead of addressing the OPs problem, certain members seemed more interested in tearing apart my examples as if they were submitted for critique rather than serving as mock-ups to demonstrate potential ways the OP might improve his cover.
I guess they assumed I didn't know the helmet looks a bit like German Batman's pickelhaube (In my defense, so does the original)

Well...I didn't see the posts that aggravated you. Maybe--to try to give them the benefit of the doubt--they thought what I did; not to criticize you, or the designs, but to throw out ideas to help the OP, to get his (his/her?) cover on the right path. Now...I've been here long enough to know, I'm probably wrong. BUT, just in case, maybe, just maybe that's it. :-)

But, you learn something new every day--I didn't know that German Batman had a pickelhaube. ;-) Really?

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Wilai Lattimore

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Re: Horrible cover image
Posted: Dec 30, 2017 5:58 AM   in response to: Reverend Ryder in response to: Reverend Ryder
 
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Here is my contribution. Tear it apart, BL, you won't hurt my feelings.

https://ibb.co/hmqvEw
B.L. Alley

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Re: Horrible cover image
Posted: Dec 30, 2017 9:16 AM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
 
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He did, but I continued posting alternate ideas because I am not convinced the artist he hired is qualified to sell services as a graphic artist and therefore will be unable to correct the issues. My niece knew more about creating coherent imagery and was far more talented before she entered art school. Even I seem to better understand the process, in spite of stumbling my way around graphics software to create basic images.
B.L. Alley

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Re: Horrible cover image
Posted: Dec 30, 2017 9:16 AM   in response to: Wilai Lattimore in response to: Wilai Lattimore
 
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That's not the purpose of this thread, which was exactly my point.
C. Gold

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Re: Horrible cover image
Posted: Dec 30, 2017 9:40 AM   in response to: B.L. Alley in response to: B.L. Alley
 
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I have my doubts as well. Even if he told the designer to make a dark helm with fire, that person should have known better than to cough up a midnight black barely recognizable something. People trained in cover design know the design elements that make a good cover, including genre tells, and would have pushed back before having their name associated with that abomination.
B.L. Alley

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Re: Horrible cover image
Posted: Dec 30, 2017 10:10 AM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
 
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Strange that a graphics schlub like me was able to feature a black heaume on a dark background and make it work.
Mark Blum

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Re: Horrible cover image
Posted: Dec 30, 2017 11:35 AM   in response to: Reverend Ryder in response to: Reverend Ryder
 
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I'm new at this also but for what it's worth; it might be you selected a "mat finish" when you uploaded, when clearly your version is a "glossy finish" cover. You might check your preferences when you loaded the cover. This might help ?
Theresa M. Moore

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Re: Horrible cover image
Posted: Dec 30, 2017 12:28 PM   in response to: B.L. Alley in response to: B.L. Alley
 
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Negative. DPI is essential for sizing images in most bookselling sites. 300 dpi is the standard. You can probably get away with 150 dpi, but most sites do require 300. This is so that images will appear sharp and clear. Don't give bad advice to the newbies.

Principles of Publishing In The Digital Age 3rd Edition https://tinyurl.com/y87ofxd4

Edited by: Theresa M. Moore on Dec 30, 2017 12:31 PM
B.L. Alley

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Re: Horrible cover image
Posted: Dec 30, 2017 1:01 PM   in response to: Theresa M. Moore in response to: Theresa M. Moore
 
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If you're going to debate an issue, make sure you understand what the other person stated. I correctly stated DPI is irrelevant when working in pixels. If you want a higher resolution image, you increase the pixels. If you're creating an image for print by inputting the physical dimensions, then you must specify the dpi. A cover for a 6 x 9 paperback, with bleed, will be 441 x 666 pixels at 72 dpi, but 1837 x 2775 at 300 dpi. Since I already knew the correct sizing for my books, I was able to create each new image by specifying the pixel size rather than have to continue entering dimensions and dpi settings.
If you don't understand the distinction, then perhaps you're not the expert you claim to be. If I had to guess, I'd say you are using basic knowledge to take advantage of self-published authors by selling an overpriced how-to 'book'. Talk about bad advice (or advice freely available in forums such as this without the pretentious introduction). Your willingness to violate the community rules by advertising said 'book' in your signature further reinforces my assessment.
booknookbiz

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Re: Horrible cover image
Posted: Dec 30, 2017 1:46 PM   in response to: Theresa M. Moore in response to: Theresa M. Moore
 
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Theresa M. Moore wrote:
Negative. DPI is essential for sizing images in most bookselling sites. 300 dpi is the standard. You can probably get away with 150 dpi, but most sites do require 300. This is so that images will appear sharp and clear. Don't give bad advice to the newbies.

Principles of Publishing In The Digital Age 3rd Edition https://tinyurl.com/y87ofxd4

Edited by: Theresa M. Moore on Dec 30, 2017 12:31 PM


??? That is absolutely incorrect for publishing anything--cover images, images, etc.--for use upon ANY digital device. Making an image 300ppi versus 72ppi has precisely zero effect, in the "Digital Age" because no matter what PPI/DPI you set your image to, the pixels on the receiving SCREEN cannot be altered.

In print, the distinction has an effect--you can print an image at 72DPI or 300DPI, and there's a profound difference, as each pixel carries color/image information. More pixels=more image, less interpolation by the brain. However, for an eBook, it is completely and utterly irrelevant, for the stated reasons. I can make an image 300dpi or 72DPI--it won't change the ppi of the screen, will it?

In those programs where you are REQUIRED to set it, sure--set it to 300. But for making a cover image, you should, as BL correctly points out, set the final pixel sizes:

BL Alley wrote:
"A cover for a 6 x 9 paperback, with bleed, will be 441 x 666 pixels at 72 dpi, but 1837 x 2775 at 300 dpi. Since I already knew the correct sizing for my books, I was able to create each new image by specifying the pixel size rather than have to continue entering dimensions and dpi settings."

So, typically, cover designers will set out a template for an eBook cover, at the correct pixel sizes. That's the way it's done. Believe me--I've been in and around this discussion/argument for years, back when everyone used photoshop, and the discussion about whether an image should be 1DPI or 300DPI, etc., first emerged. It takes some time for those accustomed to print to wrap their heads around the realities of digital--but it's the final pixel sizes. NOT resolution--not remotely as it's used for print.

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Re: Horrible cover image
Posted: Dec 30, 2017 3:11 PM   in response to: Theresa M. Moore in response to: Theresa M. Moore
 
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Theresa M. Moore wrote:
Negative. DPI is essential for sizing images in most bookselling sites. 300 dpi is the standard. You can probably get away with 150 dpi, but most sites do require 300. This is so that images will appear sharp and clear. Don't give bad advice to the newbies.

Principles of Publishing In The Digital Age 3rd Edition https://tinyurl.com/y87ofxd4

Edited by: Theresa M. Moore on Dec 30, 2017 12:31 PM


DPI is irrelevant for e-books. And you wrote a book telling people how to publish? I'm equally amazed and appalled.
Duane Dingle

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Re: Horrible cover image
Posted: Dec 30, 2017 4:36 PM   in response to: Theresa M. Moore in response to: Theresa M. Moore
 
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Theresa M. Moore wrote:
Negative. DPI is essential for sizing images in most bookselling sites. 300 dpi is the standard. You can probably get away with 150 dpi, but most sites do require 300. This is so that images will appear sharp and clear. Don't give bad advice to the newbies.
Principles of Publishing In The Digital Age 3rd Edition https://tinyurl.com/y87ofxd4
Edited by: Theresa M. Moore on Dec 30, 2017 12:31 PM

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OMG. I know little to nothing about graphic design, but I do know 72dpi for websites and at least 300dpi for print. I've known this for over twenty years, so I'm floored that you wouldn't. How is that even possible? Did you write the opposite of what your were thinking? I do that sometimes too, but not this time.

Edited: Not to drag out a point, but I saw the cover of your kindle book offerings and they seem rather amateurish, but then I know little about the subject except for what catches my eye in a positive way. Link:https://www.amazon.com/Theresa%20M.%20Moore/e/B002BLOWTG

Edited by: Duane Dingle on Dec 30, 2017 4:41 PM
Amis

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Re: Horrible cover image
Posted: Dec 30, 2017 7:28 PM   in response to: Mark Blum in response to: Mark Blum
 
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The cover finish would only apply to the printed book. They don't attempt to duplicate the finish on the screen.
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