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Notjohn

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Re: Paperback Lead Time (Create Space)
Posted: Jan 29, 2018 1:23 PM   in response to: Ralph E Vaughan in response to: Ralph E Vaughan
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Also a thing of the past is Special 4th Class -- Manuscript rate.

It's now called Media Mail, which serves the same purpose but will cost a bit more than a dollar (probably $3) but still a lot cheaper than Priority Mail. Among the viable candidates are:

Play scripts and manuscripts for books, periodicals, and music.

Good luck! -- NJ

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Of course an even better substitute is email with a PDF attachment, which is free. That's a major reason publishers no longer accept unsolicited manuscripts, and why agents are so hard to interest in newcomers.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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Brad the wronger

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Re: Paperback Lead Time (Create Space)
Posted: Jan 29, 2018 1:31 PM   in response to: Joseph M Erhardt in response to: Joseph M Erhardt
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No more aerograms? I guess those went away with Intl post card stamps.
Ralph E Vaughan

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Re: Paperback Lead Time (Create Space)
Posted: Jan 29, 2018 4:44 PM   in response to: Franchesca Tatel in response to: Franchesca Tatel
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Franchesca Tatel wrote:
Hi Cynthia, I also had that thinking before, but since I am inspired by Lang Leav, a bestseller author and a Poet, and that it is made possible in her books, so I kinda disregard that thinking.

Edited by: Franchesca Tatel on Jan 29, 2018 1:22 PM


Since you choose to disregard any advice that doesn't fit in with the image of yourself as bestselling poet Lang Leav, why ask for advice? You've been told multiple times that you're the publisher, that you can format your book any way you see fit, so what more do you want? Format your print book how you want it to look, then publish. Is it a good idea? No, probably not. Not at all. So, do it, or don't -- you're the publisher.
Franchesca Tatel

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Re: Paperback Lead Time (Create Space)
Posted: Feb 7, 2018 4:23 PM   in response to: Ralph E Vaughan in response to: Ralph E Vaughan
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Hello Ralph, don't get me wrong. I was just thinking the choices and probabilities. Currently working it out now for a more reasonable number of pages and price. Thanks for the feedback. Have a great day ahead!
booknookbiz

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Posted: Feb 10, 2018 5:55 PM   in response to: Franchesca Tatel in response to: Franchesca Tatel
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Franchesca Tatel wrote:
Hi Cynthia, I also had that thinking before, but since I am inspired by Lang Leav, a bestseller author and a Poet, and that it is made possible in her books, so I kinda disregard that thinking.

Edited by: Franchesca Tatel on Jan 29, 2018 1:22 PM

Since the December conversation about fixed layout, I've tried, very hard, to stay away from your threads, Franchesca, but you are constantly, constantly going on about Lang Leav, as if, just because SHE does something, YOU can.

Well, here's the news: you can't. For one thing, she is trade-published. That means that her books are being printed for about 25%-30% of the cost of yours, because they are not Print on Demand. That's the first thing. Her publisher is ordering 250-500 books at a pop, if not more, with a traditional printer, and thus, it's not costing him $20, or even $10, to print her book. Secondly, it's not in color, so ditto--even less.

THIRDLY, and most importantly, because Lang Leav is a bestselling poet (which probably means she sells 30 books/month; that's "bestselling" in poetry), she can command $12/book in print--and flatly, you cannot. Nobody except maybe your family will pay that much for an unknown poet. Nobody.

So, enough with Lang Leav and her bloody blank pages. Because of her circumstances, her publishers can afford to play cute with the buying public, who will tolerate almost any amount of fatuous, pretentious nonsense from poets in the first place, and they'll pay "more" for those blank pages--because with trade printing, those blanks don't add a lot of cost.

BUT: those same blank pages flatly DOUBLE your printing cost. DOUBLE. Because in POD, you pay per page, whether it has ink, or not. And as you are not Lang Leav, the greater likelihood is that people won't think you're "inspired by;" they'll think you're copying her, and not in a good way. If you want to sell your book, you need to get the prices to what people will pay for a new, completely unknown poet. That's more like $1.99-$2.99, tops, for your ebooks, and if you can, closer to $10, tops, for your print book.

I don't know why I'm bothering, as you haven't listened to anyone else, in the last two months, but...I thought I'd try. I know I just wasted my breath, but...

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Josef Peeters

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Re: Paperback Lead Time (Create Space)
Posted: Feb 10, 2018 11:57 PM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
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Well said. Know that at least one person has read, acknowledged, understood and agreed one hundred percent with what you wrote.
Joe.
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Posted: Feb 11, 2018 12:26 PM   in response to: Josef Peeters in response to: Josef Peeters
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Josef Peeters wrote:
Well said. Know that at least one person has read, acknowledged, understood and agreed one hundred percent with what you wrote.
Joe.

Well, thanks, Joe! I confess, the entire time I was typing, all I could think was, "Kick the ball, Charlie Brown!" :-)

I appreciate you taking the time to read my post, and to write your post. Thanks!

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C. Gold

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Re: Paperback Lead Time (Create Space)
Posted: Feb 11, 2018 5:27 PM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
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I'm sure many of us agree, we just don't post. You show extreme patience with this person. So good job!
booknookbiz

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Posted: Feb 11, 2018 6:20 PM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
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C. Gold wrote:
I'm sure many of us agree, we just don't post. You show extreme patience with this person. So good job!

Actually, no--I was thinking that about YOU. I noted that you made many, many efforts to help her. I was trying to find that one thread, so I could say that to you--that you've been remarkable. Truly.

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C. Gold

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Posted: Feb 12, 2018 7:31 AM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
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Oh no, I went off on the colored printing and costs. I must have sounded annoyed. :P I guess we can pat each other on the back ;)
Cynthia E. Hurst

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Re: Paperback Lead Time (Create Space)
Posted: Feb 12, 2018 8:24 AM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
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I think many of us have finally had it with the incessant questions, the reluctance to do any research for herself and the refusal to accept any feedback that didn't match her ambitions. I confess I wrote several posts that I discarded in an effort to stay civil.
booknookbiz

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Posted: Feb 12, 2018 10:05 PM   in response to: Cynthia E. Hurst in response to: Cynthia E. Hurst
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Cynthia E. Hurst wrote:
I think many of us have finally had it with the incessant questions, the reluctance to do any research for herself and the refusal to accept any feedback that didn't match her ambitions. I confess I wrote several posts that I discarded in an effort to stay civil.

Cynthia, m'dear:

Fear not! I have a stack of discarded posts, all penned over the last 8+ years, that would most likely make a complete stairway to the moon.

I just had to try one more time to see if someone could get through to her. I didn't mean to be brusque, just dry and factual, and trying to put it all together--you know, offset printing costs 30-40%, they don't pay for blanks, pricing for established, famous authors, etc. Given that I'm hearing crickets {...} I suspect that my comments have fallen on wilfully deaf ears, but...

Just another piece of paper for the discarded stairway to the moon. :-)

See ya!

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