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Andrew Jacob

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Should the beginning of my html doc look like this?
Posted: Feb 5, 2018 7:41 PM
 
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After inserting an image for the front cover into my openoffice .odt doc and selecting the right anchor setting and bookmarking the image so that kindle readers would see it as the first page, I then saved the .odt doc to html.
Anyway, when I view the html with any browser, the image is displayed before anything else as expected, but the title text which is the beginning of the next page, is shown next to it to the right, which I was not expecting. I'm thinking this should be shown below the image, or is it 'normal' for it to be shown to the right of it? I did set the 'style' for the ebook title text as 'Heading' and not as 'Heading 1'. Is this a factor? Should I have set it to Heading 1?
cdalebrittain

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Re: Should the beginning of my html doc look like this?
Posted: Feb 5, 2018 8:08 PM   in response to: Andrew Jacob in response to: Andrew Jacob
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Actually you shouldn't have your cover in your html file. The cover is uploaded separately. On the Look Inside, the book opens with the first chapter, but readers can scroll back and get a closer look at the cover if they want. It will also be there in their Kindle library.
Andrew Jacob

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Re: Should the beginning of my html doc look like this?
Posted: Feb 5, 2018 9:08 PM   in response to: cdalebrittain in response to: cdalebrittain
 
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Not according to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuv19z4y67c , also the ebook I purchased recently for creating a kindle book in OO says the same thing, so now I'm confused. That aside, I want the beginning of the ebook to start with the front cover, not the first chapter.

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Notjohn

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Re: Should the beginning of my html doc look like this?
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 3:12 AM   in response to: Andrew Jacob in response to: Andrew Jacob
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We don't include the cover in the book. It's uploaded separately, and they are merged by the KPD software.

The first item in your book should be a title page. The second item should be a Table of Contents, usually called "Contents". Then page one, chapter one. (All this can vary, but it's a good place to start.)

It really really pays to study a few books before setting out to publish one. And in the case of ebooks, to study a few of them, to see if and how they differ.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

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Re: Should the beginning of my html doc look like this?
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 3:13 AM   in response to: Andrew Jacob in response to: Andrew Jacob
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Oh, and there's really no reason to save as html if you're not going to tweak the html. You can save as a Word doc and upload that with identical results.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

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C. Gold

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Re: Should the beginning of my html doc look like this?
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 3:37 AM   in response to: Andrew Jacob in response to: Andrew Jacob
 
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Even if that does work, how is your cover going to appear on the Amazon book page? Right above your document upload it has a cover upload and says it will use a placeholder image if you don't upload your cover there. I doubt they'll obtain it from inside your document and stick it on your book page otherwise why have a separate upload for the cover? Seems like a bad idea to me.

Even if you somehow set the page to start at your cover, it's likely KDP will reset it to begin at the first chapter which is where readers usually want it to start. Those that want to see the cover can always back up and look at it, but if you've done things the 'proper' way, they've seen the cover before they open the book.
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Re: Should the beginning of my html doc look like this?
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 4:02 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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Okay, so kdp doesn't include the cover in the book and I have to upload it individually, I understand... In that case the first page in my ebook would indeed be the title page (which I 'styled' as Heading in OO and not Heading 1, all chapters are Heading 1 and general text is 'styled' as 'Text body'...).
The second item would be a copyright and introduction page followed by the first contents page (TOC), then the chapters, or must I have the TOC as the second page? I have studied a few ebooks, that is the one's that I've purchased so far and I agree it does seem that they start with a title page and not the front cover.
Andrew Jacob

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Re: Should the beginning of my html doc look like this?
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 4:09 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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Right, so in that case I should just re-save the original OO .odt as a word .doc, then put that in the same zip folder as the front cover image before uploading? Okay, I'll do that. Thanks :)
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Re: Should the beginning of my html doc look like this?
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 4:10 PM   in response to: Andrew Jacob in response to: Andrew Jacob
 
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Most people put the copyright right after the title page. Then the TOC.

Let me warn you of the next thing that will seem weird. You get it all formatted, you preview, you hit Publish, the Look Inside appears (usually after a couple days), and you say, Wait! It's all run together! The copyright slug is right below the title and author name rather than on a new page, and before you know it Chapter 1 appears!

Yes. The Look Inside is just like that. Readers get something more like what you saw when you previewed. Buy your own book to see for sure. (Warning #2--you can upload the contents again to fix a typo or whatever, and new buyers will get the new version, but your already-bought version will never change.)
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Re: Should the beginning of my html doc look like this?
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 4:13 PM   in response to: Andrew Jacob in response to: Andrew Jacob
 
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Andrew Jacob wrote:
Right, so in that case I should just re-save the original OO .odt as a word .doc, then put that in the same zip folder as the front cover image before uploading? Okay, I'll do that. Thanks :)

No. You don't put the cover in the folder with your text. If you don't have any illustrations besides the cover, you don't even need to create a zip folder, just upload the .doc or html file.

You upload the cover all by itself in the step before you upload the contents. It's very easy. Click "I have a complete cover" (I think it says, it's the non-cover-creator choice).
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Re: Should the beginning of my html doc look like this?
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 4:23 PM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
 
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Yes, I see what you're saying. Again, I'll now upload a word .doc file and image jpeg in the same zip folder and won't include the image in the doc itself, which will save me some hassle as it doesn't seem to format correctly when converted to html anyway. Basically, the heading for the first page appeared to the right of the cover image and not below it, which is what I was expecting. So much for that YT clip! It's just that in 'the printed world' one sees the front cover first, then the contents/index and chapters, but whichever, I'll do it the way that's been recommended ;)
Andrew Jacob

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Re: Should the beginning of my html doc look like this?
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 4:28 PM   in response to: cdalebrittain in response to: cdalebrittain
 
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Okay, sorry - misunderstood lol ;) So, I just upload the word doc and I'll be asked to upload a cover image anyway? Am I thick or what ;)
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Re: Should the beginning of my html doc look like this?
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 4:58 PM   in response to: Andrew Jacob in response to: Andrew Jacob
 
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I use Open Office odt.doc, but never insert an image into it. As has been said, upload the text and cover separately when you're going through the publishing process.
Andrew Jacob

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Re: Should the beginning of my html doc look like this?
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 5:33 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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Thought this was resolved, but slight problem... In fact I will have to re-save the oo .odt doc as a html one because if I save it to word .doc the clickable links in the TOC are not retained. Reason I thought it was before, is because when you re-save an oo .odt doc to word .doc and you preview it, then the links still show, but if I close it down and then reopen it, the links don't show ;)
Andrew Jacob

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Re: Should the beginning of my html doc look like this?
Posted: Feb 7, 2018 11:24 AM   in response to: Andrew Jacob in response to: Andrew Jacob
 
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