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Franchesca Tatel

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Purchasing and Distribution
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 6:43 AM
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Good day,

As soon as my paperback is displayed on bookstores' bookshelves, was it already paid and generated an income on my part? Or unless the end customer buys a copy from the bookstores, it will not earn a penny?

Because I am thinking that there are two customers buying the paperback. The bookstores and the end customers (readers).
1. Bookstores which buys (a bulk of paperback) from Amazon Store and;
2. End customers (readers) who buys from bookstores

End Customer > Bookstores > Amazon Store
cdalebrittain

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Re: Purchasing and Distribution
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 6:57 AM   in response to: Franchesca Tatel in response to: Franchesca Tatel
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If you publish through CreateSpace (not KDP-print), and if you choose Expanded Distribution, you get credited with a sale of your paperback when a bookstore buys it from CS/Amazon. Note, however, that your royalties will be less for this sale than they would be if someone bought directly from Amazon. (On CS you can see exactly how much you will get for expanded distribution--and you get nothing more when someone buys the book from the bookstore.)

Also note that very few bookstores are at all likely to get copies of your book in, unless someone specifically orders it.
Salamander Mall...

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Re: Purchasing and Distribution
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 6:57 AM   in response to: Franchesca Tatel in response to: Franchesca Tatel
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Franchesca Tatel wrote:
Good day,

As soon as my paperback is displayed on bookstores' bookshelves, was it already paid and generated an income on my part? Or unless the end customer buys a copy from the bookstores, it will not earn a penny?

Because I am thinking that there are two customers buying the paperback. The bookstores and the end customers (readers).
1. Bookstores which buys (a bulk of paperback) from Amazon Store and;
2. End customers (readers) who buys from bookstores

End Customer > Bookstores > Amazon Store


Brick-and-mortar bookstores don't stock POD books as a rule because they cannot be returned to the publisher. At best, your book might be listed by an online seller, if only because it costs the seller nothing. You'll receive a royalty only if a customer actually buys a copy.
Brad the wronger

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Posted: Feb 6, 2018 8:35 AM   in response to: Salamander Mall... in response to: Salamander Mall...
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99.95% right.
I went to Hilo for a few days last July and dropped in on a couple of their little book stores in town, indie mom and pop type of places. One place, Basically Books, had a section specifically for Hawaii stories written by Hawaii-based writers. Lo and behold, they had a couple of my wife's CreateSpace books on their shelves. They also had Hawaii-based music.

Yes, I understand it's a niche store selling niche books to a captive audience, but I think there is some potential if an author makes the rounds to similar stores and hands over their author business card to the manager, along with a couple of free copies (without being annoying about it).

I've just looked at their website. It looks as though the store has moved closer to hotels and tourist destinations, and right in the path of people coming off cruise boats headed to town.
Salamander Mall...

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Posted: Feb 6, 2018 10:19 AM   in response to: Brad the wronger in response to: Brad the wronger
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Brad the wronger wrote:
99.95% right.
I went to Hilo for a few days last July and dropped in on a couple of their little book stores in town, indie mom and pop type of places. One place, Basically Books, had a section specifically for Hawaii stories written by Hawaii-based writers. Lo and behold, they had a couple of my wife's CreateSpace books on their shelves. They also had Hawaii-based music.

Yes, I understand it's a niche store selling niche books to a captive audience, but I think there is some potential if an author makes the rounds to similar stores and hands over their author business card to the manager, along with a couple of free copies (without being annoying about it).

I've just looked at their website. It looks as though the store has moved closer to hotels and tourist destinations, and right in the path of people coming off cruise boats headed to town.


Almost a micro-niche with a guaranteed flow of potential customers, but a good point nonetheless. However, the OP is expecting national bookstores to buy copies of her oddly formatted (single sided pages) poetry book just from it being listed on Amazon, and I don't really see that happening.

Unless your brother-in-law is the manager of the local B&N, book placement there is a pipe dream. Indie and Mom & Pop stores, on the other hand, are great targets, especially for writers who are professional and affable...a 50% discount also helps. I've placed books in dozens of bookstores, but never once because a bookstore manager stumbling over a listing.
Brad the wronger

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Posted: Feb 6, 2018 11:05 AM   in response to: Salamander Mall... in response to: Salamander Mall...
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Definitely one of james' microniches. I doubt any will get their books in major book stores, but one does have several of hers in the public library system. There have been indies to get their books in chain stores, Andy Weir, etc. In a way, Russell Blake has as a ghost writer for Cussler. If somebody took their time, read several of Blake's books, learned his style and the idiosyncrasies of Jett/Maya, and wrote a quality Jett World novella, they could get a ton of exposure for their own books. But that's off on a tangent.

You're absolutely right, though, that the OP hoping to get her poetry in a national chain is a pipe dream.
Theresa M. Moore

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Re: Purchasing and Distribution
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 11:46 AM   in response to: Salamander Mall... in response to: Salamander Mall...
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My paperback books are distributed worldwide through LSI, not Createspace or Amazon, and I mark them returnable for the US. So your claim that bookstores won't pick up books BECAUSE they are not returnable is false. If you publish through any other book printer, you can mark your self-published books returnable. It is only CS which does not allow returns.

However, it is a rule among bookstores that they don't shop POD anyway, because of the mistaken impression that the books are sub par, or that they are not returnable. Also, they have little room for the MILLIONS of books on sale. I get better sales online than off.
Salamander Mall...

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Posted: Feb 6, 2018 12:59 PM   in response to: Theresa M. Moore in response to: Theresa M. Moore
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Theresa M. Moore wrote:
My paperback books are distributed worldwide through LSI, not Createspace or Amazon, and I mark them returnable for the US. So your claim that bookstores won't pick up books BECAUSE they are not returnable is false. If you publish through any other book printer, you can mark your self-published books returnable. It is only CS which does not allow returns.

However, it is a rule among bookstores that they don't shop POD anyway, because of the mistaken impression that the books are sub par, or that they are not returnable. Also, they have little room for the MILLIONS of books on sale. I get better sales online than off.


Had the OP used Lightning Source, then, yes, I would have at least allowed the possibility of a bookstore stocking her book, despite her efforts to stack every odd against it, but I doubt it ever flashed through her mind. The other reason the Moms & Pops of the world won't order from CreateSpace or KDP-Print is because they don't do business with the enemy.
Franchesca Tatel

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Re: Purchasing and Distribution
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 10:15 PM   in response to: cdalebrittain in response to: cdalebrittain
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Oh thanks,
1. Is it better not to engage in Expanded Distribution ( in Createspace and Kindle), since based on the comment, there would be a bigger royalty when a customer buys directly from amazon?
2. Is the generated income from the book sales immediately appears on my createspace account as soon as someone buys it?
3. My first published book was already deleted from my bookshelf as well as on search engine in kindle store, but why is that it still appears on goodreads.com? How can I permanently delete it forever?
4. I didn't encounter an "Expanded Distribution" in Kindle, what is its equivalence in Kindle?

Edited by: Franchesca Tatel on Feb 6, 2018 10:37 PM
Donna St Felix

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Re: Purchasing and Distribution
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 10:20 PM   in response to: Franchesca Tatel in response to: Franchesca Tatel
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Franchesca Tatel wrote:
1. Is it better not to enggage in Expanded Distribution, since based on the comment, there would be a bigger royalty when a customer buys directly from amazon?

Not everyone buys from Amazon. The expanded distribution would be for like a book store.

2. Is the generated income from the book sales immediately appears on my createspace account as soon as someone buys it?

Usually when it is shipped, or close to it.
Franchesca Tatel

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Re: Purchasing and Distribution
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 10:36 PM   in response to: Donna St Felix in response to: Donna St Felix
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Oh, thanks, Donna!
Franchesca Tatel

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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 8:18 PM   in response to: Donna St Felix in response to: Donna St Felix
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What about in ebook, since it's digital, no shipping time. Will it appear immediately once "buy" is submitted and clicked?
Donna St Felix

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Re: Purchasing and Distribution
Posted: Feb 7, 2018 8:45 PM   in response to: Franchesca Tatel in response to: Franchesca Tatel
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Franchesca Tatel wrote:
What about in ebook, since it's digital, no shipping time. Will it appear immediately once "buy" is submitted and clicked?

One would think so, but I doubt it is that fast.
First, the payment has to clear from the credit card company.
It takes time for the computer system 'parts' to catch up with each other.
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