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pjfenwick

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Erotica
Posted: Jun 25, 2011 12:15 AM
 
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I'm confused regarding amazon's policy on publishing erotica. I have read that many erotic stories have been pulled due to questionable content, yet when I look at the titles and read some of the descriptions, I don't get it. Some of the stuff is explicit. So does Amazon publish erotica and where are the guidelines? I have looked all over amazon and kdp and haven't found anything specific to erotica.
writerken

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Re: Erotica
Posted: Jun 25, 2011 1:26 AM   in response to: pjfenwick in response to: pjfenwick
 
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Like most things if you stay within the law then you should have no problems. I suspect underage sex, incest and the like will get your book removed.
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Re: Erotica
Posted: Jun 25, 2011 2:37 AM   in response to: pjfenwick in response to: pjfenwick
 
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I think that Amazon keeps everything vague to prevent establishing any sort of absolute that may result in a lawsuit.

It sort of depends on who is doing the review of a book in question and if they have received any complaints about a particular book.

The subjects that seem to cause objections are Pedophillia and Rape (violent) and possibly extreeme religious perversions with sexual violence.

Amazon is trying to avoid being a censor while at the same time avoiding attraction of goverment censorship.

JT

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terrytowers

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Re: Erotica
Posted: Jun 25, 2011 5:16 AM   in response to: pjfenwick in response to: pjfenwick
 
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I agree with JT and Writerken

From what I've read, incest and underage sex are normally the targets to banning. I write paranormal erotic romance and what I usually do is slip the age of the heroine somewhere in the story. (just to be on the safe side)

Take a peek at some of the submission guidelines for Siren Publishing or Ellora's Cave. If your work would pass the submission guidelines for those erotica publishers then you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

Also, it's always a good idea to add a little disclaimer at the end of your book description. Simply mention it has adult content, or something along those lines. Not for Amazon's benefit, but for yours. Say you are writing a vampire erotica and a teen or perhaps a more conservative reader searches "vampire" and your book pops up. If they buy it and it offends them, they are apt to leave a bad review. Just because your book is listed under erotica doesn't mean the purchaser will take notice of that fact.

Good luck on your book and all the best,
Elixa
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Re: Erotica
Posted: Jun 25, 2011 6:40 AM   in response to: terrytowers in response to: terrytowers
 
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[b]Also, it's always a good idea to add a little disclaimer at the end of your book description [/b]

You bring up a good point.

Always mention the rating of the book G PG ...XXX

this should avoid some problems

also the length of the book in word count or kindle pages.

JT

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pjfenwick

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Re: Erotica
Posted: Jun 25, 2011 11:58 PM   in response to: writerken in response to: writerken
 
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That was what I was thinking; however, I have read reviews that books with vanilla sex have been removed as well. The stories I write are not vanilla and include many, many aspects including bondage and s&m.
I'm trying to determine if amazon is the best platform.
pjfenwick

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Re: Erotica
Posted: Jun 26, 2011 12:00 AM   in response to: jtbigtoad in response to: jtbigtoad
 
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I can appreciate their need to keep things vague to not establish absolutes. It just seems odd to me that, at least from what I've read, the reviewers are not the people who generally buy erotica. They are people from ultra-conservative countries.
pjfenwick

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Re: Erotica
Posted: Jun 26, 2011 12:03 AM   in response to: terrytowers in response to: terrytowers
 
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Excellent suggestions, thank you. I think it's a really good idea to include the disclaimers as I write some paranormal erotica and can image someone coming across the story thinking it was a simple vampire story... I will check out siren publishing and ellora's cave and see if my writing fits their submission guidelines.
I was thinking of adding disclaimers in the description, the copy page and in the sample pages.
pjfenwick

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Re: Erotica
Posted: Jun 26, 2011 12:04 AM   in response to: jtbigtoad in response to: jtbigtoad
 
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Thanks for the suggestions. I was planning to include the rating in the disclaimer in case they don't understand "adult content, not for kids".
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Re: Erotica
Posted: Jun 26, 2011 5:11 AM   in response to: pjfenwick in response to: pjfenwick
 
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As far as S&M goes. I've seen a number of those types of erotica for sale. Many are on the erotica trop sellers list, so I wouldn't be concerned about that.

However, if it involves rape, farm animals or weapons being in places they shouldn't be, I would perhaps tweak it a tad so it doesn't include those things. Adding those types of things could be asking for trouble (even though I am sure there are oodles of buyers wanting that, sad but true) :)

Just keep in mind there is a fine line between erotica and pornography. As far as my knowledge goes of Amazons policies regarding erotica:

Erotica = good [b] but [/b] pornography = bad

All the best,
Elixa
badken

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Re: Erotica
Posted: Jun 26, 2011 2:50 PM   in response to: pjfenwick in response to: pjfenwick
 
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[i]I have read reviews that books with vanilla sex have been removed as well.[/i]

I would bet money that any books with vanilla sex that were removed were not removed because of the vanilla sex.
zandosman

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Re: Erotica
Posted: Jun 26, 2011 3:39 PM   in response to: badken in response to: badken
 
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Um, whats vanilla sex? :D
badken

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Re: Erotica
Posted: Jun 26, 2011 3:47 PM   in response to: zandosman in response to: zandosman
 
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It's how vanilla beans reproduce, of course.
pjfenwick

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Re: Erotica
Posted: Jul 2, 2011 10:12 AM   in response to: terrytowers in response to: terrytowers
 
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As far as S&M goes. I've seen a number of those types
of erotica for sale. Many are on the erotica trop
sellers list, so I wouldn't be concerned about that.

However, if it involves rape, farm animals or weapons
being in places they shouldn't be, I would perhaps
tweak it a tad so it doesn't include those things.
Adding those types of things could be asking for
trouble (even though I am sure there are oodles of
buyers wanting that, sad but true) :)

Just keep in mind there is a fine line between
erotica and pornography. As far as my knowledge goes
of Amazons policies regarding erotica:

Erotica = good [b] but [/b] pornography = bad

All the best,
Elixa


No rape, no farm animals, no weapons.. check!
Erotica good, porn bad - also ck
Thanks Elixa.
PJ
pjfenwick

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Re: Erotica
Posted: Jul 2, 2011 10:13 AM   in response to: badken in response to: badken
 
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[i]I have read reviews that books with vanilla sex
have been removed as well.[/i]

I would bet money that any books with vanilla sex
that were removed were not removed because of the
vanilla sex.


That's possible, but that was all that was flagged when I looked at it.
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