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Joseph M Erhardt

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Re: What are current book editing costs? I'm just curious.
Posted: Sep 3, 2017 2:01 PM   in response to: jamesfc in response to: jamesfc
 
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jamesfc wrote:
Joseph, just curious...... what level of editing do you do?
I do basic editing and proof-reading (and correct missing words and basic sentence structure), etc. I simply arrange the book so that it doesn't attract negative reviews based on bad editing. However I don't get into Oxford-English perfection.
It seems to me that you go a stage further?

James


Most of my edits are what I call instructional edits. That means it's a full edit with commentary where I feel it'll help the client. For example, if a sentence, otherwise correct grammatically, doesn't work because of parallelism problems, I won't just fix the sentence, I'll also explain why. If I see a character act out-of-character, I'll point that out. Handing a character the idiot ball to further the plot is spotlighted and significantly poo-pooed. Verifiable facts are verified (to the extent practical). Sometimes I'll go against CMoS and Oxford conventions (especially in fiction) when I feel the technically correct thing to do will break the reader out of suspension-of-disbelief. One such thing is the statement of "permanent truths" in present tense, even in a past-tense story--I'll tell the client to go ahead and state the permanent truth in past tense. E.g., "Everyone knew that water freezes at 32 degrees" I would suggest as "Everyone knew that water froze at 32 degrees". Etc.

Edit: As a bonus, all my clients are occasionally subject to the odd bit of Erhardtian humor. :)

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Re: What are current book editing costs? I'm just curious.
Posted: Sep 4, 2017 10:14 AM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
 
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Yup uncle1212, I bought into that idea.
I had experienced trouble with both the editors I had used as I was finishing my book (Slick Driver). The first wanted to Hollywood up the Protagonist (me) and the second, a young lady who was teaching English, couldn't stand my graphic descriptions of killing. So I edited 'Slick Driver' myself and in the process, I discovered the importance of grammar and punctuation in accurately conveying the ideas I felt were important.
With very little promotion 'Slick Driver' has sold well but my audience has stated in reviews, "The authors abysmal editing skills got in the way of an otherwise, '...great story !'
As soon as I read your comment concerning timid authors and their belief in the magic powers of a 'certified' editor, a light went on in my brain and I realized I could repair my grammar and punctuation to a point I felt the story and my readers deserved. So thank You very much, and I am off to chase one small lead and then I'll brew more coffee and get serious about making 'Slick Driver' convey the story I want to tell.
Bobby G Ingram
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Re: What are current book editing costs? I'm just curious.
Posted: Sep 4, 2017 12:18 PM   in response to: bg ingram in response to: bg ingram
 
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Good luck with it Bobby. Editing is an ongoing battle for a lot of newbie authors. Some of my authors have apparently tried 3-4 others before they ended up in my corner and I note that they all seem to send me their subsequent books. Makes me feel appreciated -:)

James
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Re: What are current book editing costs? I'm just curious.
Posted: Sep 4, 2017 3:34 PM   in response to: jamesfc in response to: jamesfc
 
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Returning customers is a great recommendation.
My immediate problem is, I do not want to sell any more copies until the editing is correct to the point the mistakes are not so glaring the usual college grad would be distracted from the story line.
My wife wants to get the book printed and sent to friends and relatives, does this take a different type of editing?
If you can, take a 'peek' and tell me what You would charge to get my book suitably correct to sell on Kindle.
Thank You, and I look forward to your reply
Bobby G Ingram <---------- practicing different author names.....
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Re: What are current book editing costs? I'm just curious.
Posted: Sep 4, 2017 3:50 PM   in response to: bg ingram in response to: bg ingram
 
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bg ingram wrote:
My wife wants to get the book printed and sent to friends and relatives, does this take a different type of editing?

You'll want to download a 6x9 template (or whatever size book you want to make) for your software program of choice if you want to print books. That way you get the left and right page margins and header/footer properly set up. KDP has a nice walkthrough for this stuff but some useful links I found are listed below:

KDP has free templates here:
https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/A16ABVH839JCP0

I bought a book template from these guys: They bundle up many sizes in one cost plus some nice fonts:
https://www.bookdesigntemplates.com

Book cover design PDF layout if you want to design your own cover outside of the cover create tool:
https://www.createspace.com/Help/Book/Artwork.do

Embedding fonts:
https://forums.createspace.com/en/community/docs/DOC-1791

And most importantly, creating a PDF for print:
https://forums.createspace.com/en/community/docs/DOC-1331
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Posted: Sep 4, 2017 4:51 PM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
 
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Thank You very Much, I'll send the list to my wife, the hard cover enthusiast.
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Posted: Sep 4, 2017 4:52 PM   in response to: bg ingram in response to: bg ingram
 
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It looks more intimidating than it really is. Once you've done one, the others will be easy.
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Posted: Sep 4, 2017 10:06 PM   in response to: bg ingram in response to: bg ingram
 
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Bobby, send me the first 2 chapters to jimfrancis5555@yahoo.com and I'll take a look.

James
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Posted: Sep 5, 2017 6:41 AM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
 
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Thank You, C Gold, and that, "hard to do, hard to do ...easy-peasy" is a spiritual life strategy I use. Seems stupid to, "lose, lose, win-big" but it keeps life interesting.
Thanks for the encouragement.
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Posted: Sep 5, 2017 6:50 AM   in response to: jamesfc in response to: jamesfc
 
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Sent them sir, but on my end, they look like 'robot writing', my wife assures me, it's because I am not using 'word' to view them.
If the type is too uncomfortable to read/edit, down load the book to see exactly how others see it and I'll PayPal you the four bucks,
Thank You
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Posted: Sep 5, 2017 12:25 PM   in response to: bg ingram in response to: bg ingram
 
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Bobby, received your sample and sent you an email.
Sample looks OK in Word.....easy to read.
James
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Re: What are current book editing costs? I'm just curious.
Posted: Sep 6, 2017 7:57 AM   in response to: Joseph M Erhardt in response to: Joseph M Erhardt
 
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I might be interested in a professional proofreader. If you take a look at the first couple of pages (Mo S Pearce) and let me know what you think, and how much you charge, we can take it from there. Thank you! siploos1@yahoo.co.uk
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Posted: Sep 6, 2017 2:50 PM   in response to: Simon Pearce in response to: Simon Pearce
 
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Simon Pearce wrote:
I might be interested in a professional proofreader. If you take a look at the first couple of pages (Mo S Pearce) and let me know what you think, and how much you charge, we can take it from there. Thank you! siploos1@yahoo.co.uk

Simon, I took a look at the Look Inside. The first thing that would strike me as a reader is that your paragraphs aren't indented, and that you have blank lines between them. In other words, the formatting is not book formatting. For many, many readers that is an immediate turn-off. For e-books, paragraph formatting is done by "styles," which is just a fancy way of saying that you define the characteristics of a paragraph by way of settings, rather than by, e.g., indenting using tabs or spaces. The paragraph definition would also include any inter-paragraph gapping (which should be zero).

Unfortunately, the Look Inside would not let me select and copy material that I could sample-edit and send to you. (You need a bit more than a proofread, as you're making a lot of beginner's mistakes in your prose.) If you want, go to my site, gscediting dot com, and send me a comment using the contact form. I'll then send you an e-mail to which you could send an excerpt of about 1250 words of your book, and I'll edit that and send that back to you. You should actually go back to your post and remove your e-mail here, as you never know what bots are trolling posts for e-mails to spam (also, the moderators sometimes frown on e-mails in posts). You can send the excerpt in doc, docx or odf form. Or even pdf form.

Do realize that I've learned my English on the wrong side of the Atlantic, so I would not be able to note misuses of British English all that well. And, the use of plural verbs for grammatically singular group terms annoys the hell out of me. :)
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Re: What are current book editing costs? I'm just curious.
Posted: Sep 6, 2017 3:45 PM   in response to: Joseph M Erhardt in response to: Joseph M Erhardt
 
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Yep Joseph, you've made a good point here ...... British verses US spelling.
As a Kiwi I was bought up on British spelling but learnt many years ago to adapt to US spelling. One of the things I notice a lot is that US authors say things like... "shined their torch" instead of "shone their torch." There can be a vast difference in spelling at times.... and also the meaning of words. Guess you've found, like I have, how to handle this.

James
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Posted: Sep 15, 2017 2:43 PM   in response to: bg ingram in response to: bg ingram
 
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It's very important to get the editing done before the book is published. If this is not done then the book is likely to attract negative reviews mentioning a lack of editing. Now, you can fix this but those negative reviews will stay on your page forever! So you might end up with 10 x 5-star reviews but the earlier reviews mentioning editing can easily deter potential buyers from purchasing. I have seen this very situation so many times.....

James
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