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germaine pugh

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Problems formatting to kindle
Posted: Jul 10, 2013 6:24 PM
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Fonts don't convert properly. my images (2) DON'T SHOW up. tab at beginnings of paragraphs seem a little big. can you help me? certain letters and journal entries were supposed to be in cursive.
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Re: Problems formatting to kindle
Posted: Jul 10, 2013 8:03 PM   in response to: germaine pugh in response to: germaine pugh
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Fonts don't convert properly. my images (2) DON'T SHOW up. tab at beginnings of paragraphs seem a little big. can you help me? certain letters and journal entries were supposed to be in cursive.

Unfortunately, you managed to hit all of Kindle's blind spots!

Fonts: Kindle basically has 1 Kindle font.

You can also get Courier New, but that is about it!

You can simulate script with Italics.

Tabs should not be used. They do not work. Use a Style with first line indent.

On Images, they should be INSERTED in Word -- Not copy pasted.

(I am assuming you are using Word.)

A Word.doc file will carry the images onto Kindle.

If you go the Webpage filtered route:

From Word.doc => Word.htm (Webpage, Filtered)

*******

Be sure to Insert your Images (Pictures) using the Insert -- Picture -- From File work flow.

DO NOT! Copy/Paste them into the Word document!! Word will show the Image, but the Save As HTML function will mess it up!

*******

1) Open the Word.doc and do a Save As Webpage, Filtered, But direct the Save into a separate, empty File Folder.

NOTE: This folder should be created ahead of time, placed in a convenient place, and given a distinct name that is easy to find.

2) Word will issue a dire warning just ignore it and click the YES button!

3) After the save as, your open Word.doc will become Word.htm

4) Close it

5) Find the empty file folder (now, if you look inside the file folder, it will have the Word.htm and a file of your images in it) send the entire (formally empty) file folder (Word.htm and Image folder) to a zipped file by right clicking it and selecting Send to ... Compressed (Zipped) File.

NOTE: This Zipped filefolder is what you upload to the KDP Bookshelf.

The zipping ties the images to the Word.htm; otherwise, the Conversion engine will ignore them.

NOTE: If you do not have ==> ANY <== IMAGES AT ALL, You do not have to zip the Word.htm file


Also, make SURE your images are INSERTED with Word, not copy/pasted! This will often cause problems with the conversion to HTML.

Here is a page on Mac stuff

https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/help?topicId=200735140

they mentioned Webpage filtered, but I don't think Mac Word has this

Also:One user reported: click Web Options, then go to the Pictures Tab,
and uncheck the box that says "Enable PNG as an output format!

but other than this here is the Mac zip formula

Save as Webpage on mac (I still like creating the seperate folder ahead of time!

the KDP HELP lsits this as how to "ZIP file on mac

Now, to create the ZIP folder necessary for uploading to KDP:

1. Click on your HTML file to select it and while holding Shift also Click on the Folder with your images. Both files will now be selected.
2. Now let go of shift and while holding down the Control (CTRL) key, click on the HTML file 3. This will bring up a menu with options, with the word "Open" at the top. From the list, choose "Compress 2 Items"
3. This will create a ZIP file on your desktop that is automatically called "Archive.zip"

If you are still having problems you should check the PNG thing (Macs only)

FOR USING THE PERSONAL DOCUMENT SERVICE ONLY (Both PC AND MAC)

If you wish to send the book to either of the @...Kindle.com, Personal Document Service addresses, you need to take the zipped file folder and stick it inside of ANOTHER empty file folder and ZIP IT A SECOND TIME!

This creates a DOUBLE ZIPPED or ZIP/ZIP folder that you attach to the email to the conversion service.

(Its a KINDLE thing :) )


JT

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Re: Problems formatting to kindle
Posted: Jul 10, 2013 9:04 PM   in response to: germaine pugh in response to: germaine pugh
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It is so simple using Word PROPERLY (ie with STYLES) you will wonder why you had to ask the question.

all explained in my book/blog below

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Re: Problems formatting to kindle
Posted: Jul 11, 2013 2:12 AM   in response to: divorcedoctor in response to: divorcedoctor
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Codswallop.

You cannot embed fonts using Word. Simply cannot be done. Whatever you are telling this poor person to do about fonts will not translate properly to Kindle.

To embed fonts, you need to use HTML, and you need to have the actual font files--the entire font file--like the files you download from places like Dafont, etc., in the book file. You cannot simply click a font in Word and have it work in Kindle. Moreover, even those fonts that do work in the Kindle Fire, etc., will not work on the millions--millions--of e-ink Kindles that are out there. Please see our article on the usage of fonts and font licensing: http://www.booknook.biz/bk_resources/faq/about_fonts_and_font_embedding to give you an idea of what can and cannot be done; then visit our Interiors Gallery, with some samples from some of our books, for the same purpose: http://www.booknook.biz/bk_services/gallery/kindle_fire . What you see done with fonts on books like Arrows Across Eons, The HysterSisters Guide or Howling of the Wind (along with Howling's Runes fonts, used in the book itself) cannot be done simply by using Word. You can also see what the same book looks like--nothing changed--when viewed on the Kindle e-inks. That's the reality.

Hope that helps you. You'll need some HTML and CSS in order to embed a font, or find a different way to distinguish what you're trying to do, that's doable within Word and Amazon's limitations for that type of source file (Word).

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Re: Problems formatting to kindle
Posted: Jul 11, 2013 2:23 AM   in response to: germaine pugh in response to: germaine pugh
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Fonts don't convert properly. my images (2) DON'T SHOW up. tab at beginnings of paragraphs seem a little big. can you help me? certain letters and journal entries were supposed to be in cursive.

Study Hitch's reply. She knows what she's talking about.

Until you master e-book publishing (which means mastering html and epub format) you should stay away from forcing fonts upon an e-book. You might use italics or Courier for your extracts.

The tab key is wrong for paragraph indents. You must use Styles in Word (or, much easier, a style sheet in html). If images don't show up, either you haven't uploaded them in the first place or the pointer is pointing to the wrong place (did you upload html?).

I think you should settle back and resolve to learn something about e-book publishing. If you are using Word, there is a list of free resources on my blog post of Feb 5.

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Re: Problems formatting to kindle
Posted: Jul 11, 2013 2:36 AM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
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got sample of arrows across eons and font "dont look no diffrunt" - also I like to see the Amazon regulation 6 points between paragraphs so "it don't look so bunched up".

I would still advise OP to stick to Amazon default fonts

after all THEY know what they are doing, ie what font looks best on what device

it is THEIR system.
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Re: Problems formatting to kindle
Posted: Jul 16, 2013 2:01 AM   in response to: divorcedoctor in response to: divorcedoctor
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got sample of arrows across eons and font "dont look no diffrunt" - also I like to see the Amazon regulation 6 points between paragraphs so "it don't look so bunched up".

Well, then, you are either a) using an older e-ink Kindle device, or b) you don't know how to use "publisher defaults" when you use Kindle for PC or one of the more-advanced devices, because whether I look at it on my Fire, the FireHD, the Paperwhite or K4PC, I can easily see the embedded fonts. Who knows why the "fon't don't look no diffrunt" to you. Patently, whatever "Kindle device" Amazon perceives as registered to you, they delivered a sample suited for your reader. As I think we have clearly stated in myriad articles in our FAQ, and on our services pages, embedded fonts will not work on those devices which cannot support them. You can see how it looks on K4PC right here: Arrows Across Eons Screenshot on Kindle 4 PC . I presume you can see the embedded font now?

With regard to your assertion about "the Amazon regulation 6 points between paragraphs," you're talking pure flummery. The Amazon Kindle Publishing Guidelines, Version 2013.3, states absolutely no such thing, and, in fact, that extraneous space between paragraphs is heavily discouraged, not encouraged. If you have not noticed--which you probably have not, as you refuse to read the proper Guidelines--the suggested CSS for paragraphs has a bottom margin of ZERO, not 6pts, which is a ludicrous waste of space. To top it off, perhaps you missed this, in the most recent Amazon Guidelines?:

Avoid using fixed values such as points and pixels for CSS properties such as font-size, width, height, margin, padding, text-indent, and line-height. To enable rendering across various screen sizes and resolutions, specify these values in percentages.

Clearly stating not to use points for anything, much less bottom margins for paragraphs. I don't know where you came up with that "Amazon regulation 6 points between paragraphs," but that has never been an Amazon recommendation and never in their formatting or publishing guidelines; in fact, they have gone to great lengths to stress that paragraphs should have a first-line indent with no additional whitespace between them, to make the most of the small screens of the readers. Using additional and extraneous space between paragraphs is an Amazon quality issue that can result in the rejection of the book for poor-quality formatting.

I trust this has cleared up some of the erroneous material posted here. Do not use unnecessary, distracting, and space-wasting additional bottom margin space between first-line indent paragraphs, lest you engender reader complaints and receive lovely notes from Amazon asking you to fix it.

Hope that helps.

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Posted: Jul 16, 2013 1:24 PM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
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you're talking pure flummery

Most of what Brian posts is exactly that: pure flummery. I no longer look at threads started by him, or to which he has made the most recent addition, because he is so inevitably wrong that it would take all my time to correct him. I admire you for not abandoning the effort!

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Posted: Jul 16, 2013 6:56 PM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
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Oh dear Hitchy, gone all Titchy again - and worse still you have woken good old notjohn from his Amazon enforced "niceness stint".

OK see below, Amazon says 10 points but I prefer 6 so as "to make the most of the small screens of the readers" as you point out.

6 is "just right" to avoid that jumbled look (like in your books) but not "over the top".

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Insert empty space between paragraphs: If you insert a "return" (or carriage return) between two paragraphs you cannot be ensured that the space between paragraphs will appear correctly on all Kindle platforms.

Instead, set your paragraph spacing in Word as follows:

o     Click on the Format drop down menu at the top of the screen and select "Paragraph"

o     In the "Paragraph" section of this tab, locate the section entitled "Indent"

o     Next to the word "After", you can enter a value for your preferred space after a paragraph (in the example below, Word will allow a 10 point space after a paragraph, before the next paragraph).

Kindle Direct Publishing (2012-05-09). Building Your Book for Kindle for Mac (Kindle Locations 65-68). . Kindle Edition.
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Posted: Jul 17, 2013 12:56 AM   in response to: divorcedoctor in response to: divorcedoctor
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o Click on the Format drop down menu at the top of the screen and select "Paragraph"
Kindle Direct Publishing (2012-05-09). Building Your Book for Kindle for Mac (Kindle Locations 65-68). . Kindle Edition.


just so as not to confuse newbies, this Kindle Guide by Amazon was an attempt to come to grips with people using the latest versions of Word where MS has "hidden" the Styles Tools and replaced with Idiot Icons "up top".

what that means is that when you do what is described here you are formatting just the paragraph SELECTED at the time, and if by luck that is a Normal Style paragraph, every time you hit enter AFTER that each new paragraph will have the same formatting (but not those before).

when you format using STYLES you make GLOBAL changes to the STYLE itself so every Normal Style paragraph will have the same formatting (as well as all other Styles you use/create).

what global also means is eg if a customer said to us we like the format you did for us but notjohn has pointed out Amazon uses 10 points and not 6, please change, it is a dead simple matter to make that change IN THE STYLE and not have to do it individually to some 2,000 paragraphs - and don't think you can just do "Select All" because you would then destroy the style of Heading 1 etc and your TOC would be up the creek.

this simple oversight is the main reason people throw up their hands and hire someone like us at coversareus.com to FIX their mess, when had they simply paid $5 to read our book they could have saved the $75 fee to NUKE the mess back to a properly formatted Word-destined-for-Kindle file.

so please don't shoot the messenger as we give you both options (and more) at kindleonestop
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Posted: Jul 18, 2013 12:16 AM   in response to: divorcedoctor in response to: divorcedoctor
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DD:

As usual, you are woefully incorrect. The "example" that Amazon is giving there, in the Amateur's guide, is how to insert additional vertical white space, like a scenebreak, not the proper way to provide space between BODY paragraphs. As anyone who's been doing this for more than 5 minutes, or in your case, 5 books, should know, Amazon distinctly and clearly advises NOT to use a) block-style paragraphs and b) additional "blank lines" between paragraphs. That includes doing something as idiotic as setting 6PTS after any regular body paragraph.

You're quoting from the "Simplified" guide for DIY'ers, not from the actual Amazon Kindle Formatting Guide. What you're quoting from, the DIYers "quick formatting guide," which is talking to people using Word, says precisely:

If you insert a “return” (or carriage return) between two paragraphs you cannot be ensured that the space between paragraphs will appear correctly on all Kindle platforms. Instead, set your paragraph spacing in Word as follows:

It's how to set it WHEN that extra space is wanted. Not for EVERY paragraph. This was in all the older formatting Guides, directly and clearly stated. Now Amazon assumes that people know it by now, so don't even bother mentioning it any longer, although apparently they've made no allowances for you. The "real" Formatting Guide expressly states (Amazon Kindle Publishing Guidelines 2013.3, 3.1.7, page 12):

Avoid using fixed values such as points and pixels for CSS properties such as font-size, width, height, margin, padding, text-indent, and line-height. To enable rendering across various screen sizes and resolutions, specify these values in percentages.

So, why don't you try reconciling that with your advice to the poster to use POINTS to create the white space that Amazon expressly does not want? This exact text has been in the KPG since early 2012, and at least as far back as 2012.3. I know you never bother with the actual Amazon Kindle Publishing Guidelines--you use the "DIY'ers" guide and then charge for professional services--but stop misleading the newbies. You want to "win" this argument? Why don't you run out right now and download any regular fiction book from any BPH (Big Publishing House) and show us all those body paragraphs, one after the other, with a line of blank space (6pts of space) between them? C'mon? What about the new JK Rowling book, The Cuckoo's Calling? How about Chasing the Lost, by Bob Mayer? How about ANY real, professionally--published fiction title on Kindle? We'll all sit here holding our breath waiting for that. Let us know when you find one formatted that way, by a real publishing house.

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Why don't you run out right now and download any regular fiction book from any BPH (Big Publishing House) and show us all those body paragraphs, one after the other, with a line of blank space (6pts of space) between them? C'mon? What about the new JK Rowling book, The Cuckoo's Calling?

why goto amateurs when I can go to so called professionals like YOU and Red?

here is YOUR screenie from YOUR post above

https://www.dropbox.com/s/r193zdftpfooz98/Arrows_k_4_pc.jpg

see how there are spaces BETWEEN paragraphs - well Hitchie, one can use Word or Dennis Nedry line by line html but one still MUST tell Amazon (post June 2012) what this space will be, or no space at all.

This is what comes back from Amazon in html download so I guess the 0.86% is what they made of the 6 points

p style="margin:0.00% 0.00% 0.86%; text-indent:2.4em; widows:0; orphans:0"><span style=" font-size:1.0rem"

but as Pie Lady tries to tell you IF you use Word you don't have to worry about that pseudo techno-dribble as Amazon does it all FOR you, all in 10% of the time and 10% of the cost.
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Posted: Jul 18, 2013 11:58 AM   in response to: divorcedoctor in response to: divorcedoctor
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DD:

Yes. For THAT ONE BOOK, due to that client's request, and the font they chose, which has a slight display issue (that's why we do "custom" books, DD--unlike you, +we know how+). And it's far from "6pots," it's an extra 10th of an em. That has nothing to do with what I said: you told the OP to put 6pts of space after EVERY paragraph. I said: go find any book from any BPH (Big Publishing House) that has a line of whitespace after each paragraph in a fiction title. (This book, by the way, is non-fiction, and contains many photos, etc.)

So, we're all still waiting. The only Dennis Nedry here, and no doubt, in terms of proportions, is you. Keep on looking.

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Hitch, the ONLY person here "trying to win an argument" (after first inventing an argument) is YOU.

and in that case best to not supply the wrong example

see ya
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Posted: Jul 19, 2013 1:11 AM   in response to: divorcedoctor in response to: divorcedoctor
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Brian:

That's not what the sample I provided was for, now, was it? No. That sample was about FONTS, which you persisted in claiming you could not see, not paragraph spacing. Stop trying to "win" arguments with dissembling and misdirection, it's bloody boring. We'll all be sitting right here waiting for those BPH samples of formatted Kindle bestsellers with the blank lines between the paragraphs like you instructed the OP to do.

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