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dmnelson410

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Creativia-Question
Posted: Jun 7, 2014 6:25 AM
 
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Hi - anyone using Creativia as a publisher and if so how is it going for you? I was contacted by them to publish my series but I have some doubts. It is exclusively Amazon and requires a $50/per book upfront fee for re-formatting, cover, etc. Thanks

Edited by: dmnelson410 on Jun 7, 2014 6:26 AM
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Posted: Jun 7, 2014 7:58 AM   in response to: dmnelson410 in response to: dmnelson410
 
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I recommend NEVER signing with any publisher that requires up-front fees.
angelakulig

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Posted: Jun 7, 2014 8:12 AM   in response to: dmnelson410 in response to: dmnelson410
 
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Bad move, legit publishers do not ask up front fees. Especially with this new age of digital publishers, what I hear them saying by asking for fees is that they don't think you are going to make that money back. Ask yourself, what are they doing for me? If you pay for you cover and your formatting (I am going to assume they don't do much in the way of editing or they'd charge for that too) what is in it for you? If they are amazon exclusive then they are likely getting 70% royalties and I am sure they aren't giving you close to that much back.
M.R. Brazear

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Posted: Jun 7, 2014 8:56 AM   in response to: dmnelson410 in response to: dmnelson410
 
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dmnelson410 wrote:
Hi - anyone using Creativia as a publisher and if so how is it going for you? I was contacted by them to publish my series but I have some doubts. It is exclusively Amazon and requires a $50/per book upfront fee for re-formatting, cover, etc. Thanks

Edited by: dmnelson410 on Jun 7, 2014 6:26 AM

Also sounds like they have given themselves that name so that people might confuse them with createspace which is free to use.
dmnelson410

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Posted: Jun 7, 2014 1:40 PM   in response to: dmnelson410 in response to: dmnelson410
 
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Yeah that's pretty much what I was thinking. A publisher should believe enough in their authors to front $50/per book. As Indie authors we are pursued by predators. Thanks to those who responded.
Doug Lamoreux

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Re: Creativia-Question
Posted: Aug 4, 2014 6:02 AM   in response to: dmnelson410 in response to: dmnelson410
 
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I am a Creativia author and I'm delighted to inform you that some of those who responded did so without any accurate knowledge of the subject. In hope of being of assistance, I would like, very briefly, to set a few things straight.

First, let's deal with the complete misunderstanding regarding the so-called '50 dollar up-front fee.' There is NO up-front fee, of any kind. You DO NOT pay Creativia anything for publishing your work. They do the same thing every other reputable publisher does, they ask you to contribute 50 dollars of the expense of making your book ready for publication and collect those monies from initial sales before they tally profit. Again, THE SAME AS EVERY MAJOR PUBLISHER OUT THERE. The difference is, the others don't tell you they're doing it. Creativia tells you everything they are doing. And if you think a beautiful, sales generating cover, and professional formatting, and professional editing can be accomplished for fifty dollars, you need to shake your head real hard. The absurd notion will eventually go away. It may help you to know this is only a very new policy. My first four novels were released by Creativia without this so-called fee. But the horrendous world economy is hitting publishing, and Creativia, as hard as any other business. I have no problem with their new policy. As I said, they're only doing what everyone else is doing, they're just telling you about it. I just had my fifth novel published through Creativia and, I assure you, I've never sent them a dime.

Moving on. One correspondent above prefaces most statements with "I assume..." and "I am sure..." then finishes each with a comment devoid of fact and egregiously wrong. Among them:

ERROR; "...they don't think you are going to make that money back..." FACT; If they didn't think your work would sell, they wouldn't have bothered with you.
ERROR; "...If you pay for you cover and your formatting (I am going to assume they don't do much in the way of editing or they'd charge for that too)..." FACTS; You didn't edit that sentence very well. MORE FACTS, addressing these 'points' in order; You don't. You don't. They do. They don't. (If you are unable to follow that, go into a different business; words are beyond you.)
ERROR; "...I am sure they aren't giving you close to that much back." FACT; You are SURE of no such thing. In fact, you don't know anything about MY contracts with Creativia. What I make is none of your business, but I'm quite happy.

Finally, two points.

To even suggest that publisher Miika Hannila is a predator is absolute and complete nonsense. It's libelous, it's unfounded, it's stupid, and it makes me damned mad. Creativia is a whole new way to publish, using all the available tools of the old way. Miika is not just a publisher, he is a friend, and he's dedicated his life to finding excellent unknown writers, and known writers that want a new way of doing things, and helping them to do it. He doesn't care how the 'bigs' do it. Or perhaps you haven't paid attention to the industry as a whole, where book 'deals' are vanishing and book stores are closing?

You're wary because Creativia contacted you. That's reasonable. But then you turn around and say, "A publisher should believe enough in their authors to front $50/per book." Eh... it probably never dawned on you that the publisher read some of your work and "believed in you" enough to ask you to join the Creativia family of authors? In fact, this entire thread is predicated upon the notion that "They made contact with me, so how can they be any good." Apparently, like Groucho Marx, you wouldn't join any club that would have you as a member. Too bad. Creativia loves submissions. But they are not waiting for submissions that they can then turn around and reject six months from now. Miika is actively looking for great authors and great books. Though I know nothing about you at all, I know him and I know he made contact for a reason.

I am an award winning author (and even more impressive award losing nominee; Rondo, Lord Ruthven, Pushcart Prize) who, since teaming with Creativia, has appeared on numerous Amazon best sellers' lists. I currently have the #5 Native American novel on Kindle (#6 Amazon's Books Native American) and #15 in Suspense Paranormal. While I'm more than happy to claim credit for the writing, I am also more than happy to credit Miika Hannila and the entire Creativia team and family of authors for their help in making that happen.
M.R. Brazear

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Posted: Aug 4, 2014 6:14 AM   in response to: Doug Lamoreux in response to: Doug Lamoreux
 
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Are you sure you are one of their authors? You sound more like the owner of the company, stamping his little feet because someone questioned his integrity. You could have won Creativia a lot more fans by coming here and politely explaining what they do, what they have done for you, how many other authors they have helped and why it is a good idea to go with them. Instead you come here insulting people and throwing a tantrum. Obviously nobody is going to take too much notice of your ravings, whereas a properly worded recommendation might have got them more clientele. I wonder if they know you are here, putting people off.
petemorin

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Posted: Aug 4, 2014 6:31 AM   in response to: Doug Lamoreux in response to: Doug Lamoreux
 
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"You DO NOT pay Creativia anything for publishing your work. They do the same thing every other reputable publisher does, they ask you to contribute 50 dollars of the expense of making your book ready for publication.”

Uh…

"I’m not CHARGING you anything, I am merely requesting a small contribution from you.”

“I’m not robbing you, I am just requesting your wallet at gunpoint."

I am not aware of any “reputable publisher” who takes money from the author. There are plenty of vanity presses who do.


What’s their royalty split? They don’t disclose that. They don’t disclose much of anything.

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Posted: Aug 4, 2014 6:45 AM   in response to: Doug Lamoreux in response to: Doug Lamoreux
 
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Doug Lamoreux wrote
I am a Creativia author and I'm delighted to inform you that some of those who responded did so without any accurate knowledge of the subject. In hope of being of assistance, I would like, very briefly, to set a few things straight.

First, let's deal with the complete misunderstanding regarding the so-called '50 dollar up-front fee.' There is NO up-front fee, of any kind. You DO NOT pay Creativia anything for publishing your work. They do the same thing every other reputable publisher does, they ask you to contribute 50 dollars of the expense of making your book ready for publication and collect those monies from initial sales before they tally profit. Again, THE SAME AS EVERY MAJOR PUBLISHER OUT THERE.


No, no, and no. Every major publisher out there gives authors an advance. These days that advance is, at a minimum, around $5,000. Often a lot more. You do realize that by coming on this forum and insulting the authors, you are warning off people who otherwise might have imagined this company would be a good idea. Be warned, guys.
maineauthor

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Posted: Aug 4, 2014 6:50 AM   in response to: Doug Lamoreux in response to: Doug Lamoreux
 
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I'm probably going to regret sticking my nose into this one. I never get into these battles, and since I've never heard of Creativia, I have no dog in this fight. Creativia may be the best thing since sliced bread. I don't know. But I do know that you made one totally inaccurate statement, and it needs to be corrected. You stated that "THE SAME AS EVERY MAJOR PUBLISHER OUT THERE," Creativia asks for money to help get the book ready for publication. Um, no. Perhaps a number of small publishers do, Creativia being one of them. But this is not how "major" publishers work. They don't ask authors for money. They PAY authors up front. I published six books with a major publisher, and never once was I asked for money. Instead, I received lovely advance checks in the mail, because that's the way traditional publishing works.
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Posted: Aug 4, 2014 6:55 AM   in response to: cdalebrittain in response to: cdalebrittain
 
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Greetings !

My name is Petteri Hannila and I am one of the Creativia authors. In addition, the founder of the agency is my brother. So yes, I am biased of course, but I'll state some things that haven't been declared in this conversation yet.

1. Creativia is not a traditional publisher in all senses of the word. If you find being published by Creativia not for you, you can sign off and after three months have your books back at your disposal. Show me another publisher who gives that right.

2. We have a strong social media connection between Creativia authors, and Miika encourages openness and discussion among us. And we eagerly do it as it is both educational and fun. You would think that an agency set out to rip you off would not encourage things like their prey socializing with each other.

3. Up-front fee (50$) is taken out of royalties, so you do not need to pay a dime beforehand. Creativia takes the chance; if your book does not sell for 50$, then we take the hit, not you. If you buy cover art or proofreading yourself, you must pay it in advance, no matter how low your sales are.

For my royalties, I can say I get 30% from eBooks and 10% of paperbacks.

To each their own, self-publishing is surely a valid way and if you compare the royalties, 70% beats every publisher, every time. However, most self-pubbed books nowadays won't sell, and marketing can take a lot of time and effort. I think Creativia offers a valid standpoint without cheating you, and as you can hop off whenever you like it is relatively risk-free.

Best regards,
Petteri

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Michael Williams

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Posted: Aug 4, 2014 7:51 AM   in response to: fargoer in response to: fargoer
 
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I've looked at your web site and I'm still confused as to what you exactly offer that Amazon does not. You have a proof reading and editing service but when I check the internet there are grumbles about the quality of editing and proof reading in your books. Some of your book covers, most notably the fantasy humour ones are incredibly awful and not professional at all. You also link to a film company website called Thunderball Films where you say you have made deals with some authors, which as far as I can see has no films as yet on release and their list of films in 'production' is merely a list of book covers. You are also asking for 'street' marketing which would suspect that this is the main way you market your books. There are listed on your site 'Amazon Best Sellers' but what exactly does that mean? What is in your definition an Amazon best seller? Are you an Amazon Affiliate and only market through Amazon?

To repeat, could you spell out exactly what you offer that is better than KDP select as I see no benefit at all at the moment.

Edited by: Michael Williams on Aug 4, 2014 7:51 AM
Paul Fleming

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Posted: Aug 4, 2014 9:05 AM   in response to: dmnelson410 in response to: dmnelson410
 
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Just thought I would add my tuppence worth here if anyone is interested?

I recently joined forces with Creativia, just like yourself being approached with the offer which then led me to do leg-work on Google (well, mouse-work but you get the general idea!). Among the results was this thread, which I now return to and even though my own experience cannot be measured in terms of sales as my work has only recently gone through the process of being proofed and the new cover developed, I can attest to the amazing feeling of 'being part of something' as opposed to being alone in the entire task of writing, cover development, proof-reading, promotion and the hours of keyboard slaving toil that go along with it.

Before I joined I, like yourself, committed to doing my research and also contacted authors I found on Google who appeared under the 'Creativia' search. In all it proved highly positive and the encouragement of Creativia to ask about with regards to their services also proved a point in their favour.

I only speak from my own experience and point of view, but my goal is to write as enjoyment in telling tales and spinning yarns which may even amuse others, I can only hope. Point is that I am not 'in this game' to make a fortune, nor to be the font of all wisdom in every process required to make a title 'market-ready' - which I honestly say I am not!
This concept proposed by Creativia works splendidly for me, as it allows me to concentrate on writing and story-telling and leaves the 'grind' of putting my stories out there in the market to them.

I understand that people have their concerns, or cautions, when it comes to smaller publishers and those who are termed 'Vanity Press' publishers but to date I have found nothing within the realms of our agreement to raise concerns over and have discovered not only a valuable route for me to free up my time, but also a gathering of authors who are under the Creativia banner who are willing to help with promotion, encouragement and just general chatter.

Once again, I stress this is my own opinion and experience and one size may not fit all so do your own research and gather your own opinions as you already are doing.

Some people are more than happy self-publishing and contending with all the myriad of tasks which must be undertaken, obtaining the greater share of the revenue and for this I praise them but must once again stress that this avenue was not for me and the fact that all the more mundane and intense side are being taken care of in exchange for me entertaining a lower amount of revenue from the sale of my titles is one which I am more than happy with.

I hope everything works out for you! Above all, enjoy your writing and best of luck with everything :-)

Paul.
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Posted: Aug 4, 2014 10:08 AM   in response to: dmnelson410 in response to: dmnelson410
 
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I joined Creativia. The fee isn't "up-front" (not out of pocket). They do use part of your royalties to offset the cover art fee. (Cover art can cost $250 or more on your own.) If you do not make $50 off your royalties, you do not pay this out of your pocket, ever. As I have reviewed the other authors with Creativia, I am seeing a promising increase in their sales and popularity, which is why I signed on. They are a great, positive, and helpful community of authors and others putting the word abut your book out for thousands to see, something that is difficult to do on your own.

As when signing with any publisher, always ask questions. I asked a dozen before signing the contract and they were all answered to my satisfaction.
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Posted: Aug 4, 2014 10:52 AM   in response to: dmnelson410 in response to: dmnelson410
 
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I know a few Creativia authors have already jumped in to defend the publisher, but that's not really what I'm here to do. The original question was if anyone has used Creativia as a publisher and what the experience was like.

Well, I'll admit I haven't been with Creativia very long. They've published one of my books so far. Prior to that, I self-published two books and sales were dismal at best. I'm not even sure I recouped what it cost me for the cover, editing, etc. Because I self-published, all that came out of my own pocket.

When I heard about Creativia, I did some research. As it happened, I knew someone who'd published a few books with them and I contacted her. She had nothing but nice things to say about the company. Any questions I had, I went right to the owner of the company and his responses were quick and I never once got the impression I was bothering him.

Getting my third book published, I didn't pay any of the costs out of my own pocket. Sure, she dip into the royalties a bit to help cover some of that cost, but it's a fraction of what I paid to get my other books out into the world.

Also, they helped with the proofreading and they have connections for marketing. Marketing is something I've never been able to do well and I'm happy for the help.

Oh, and to the person who said big publishers give advances...yes. Some do. Some don't. Some pay advances considerably less than the $5000 minimum you mentioned. But if you get an advance, you better hope the book sells well because you're not getting a royalty check until that $5000 (or whatever amount you got) is covered.

If you want to get your book out there, I recommend giving Creativia a try. My only reservation is that they only deal with Amazon, which means there are markets left untapped and anyone who doesn't deal with Amazon isn't buying my book but that's the only issue I have. The team at Creativia has been great to me in the few months since I've signed on. I've made friends, I deal with the team on a one on one basis and never have to wait to long for a reply. I doubt you'd get that with a big publisher. Besides, writing is about getting the work out there and reaching readers. Creativia has helped me to do that better than I ever could on my own.
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