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Here is the link to the "Cleaned" up version:

it may be easier to follow

UPDATE 2-6-12

First, let me say that I am pretty lazy and to cut down the amount of work this is going to be I'm going to copy some of my old posts and edit them To Make a New, Master Post!

First, we'll start with my old favorite standby:
How to Format Your Book Using Only Word, With a Little Help from HTML

This file has been Edited on 8/17/2011 and has the latest suggestions included

First let me set the record straight, I am pretty much a simpleton and if it gets too complicated I avoid it.

This is how I formatted a book using Word 2003. It will probably work with other versions of Word, but I am too lazy to test them!

Other versions work, but Do NOT use DOCX! Remember to keep the formatting simple.

I keep the formatting simple for two reasons 1, I am lazy and 2, many users of Word are not that sophisticated (like me).


I start by using New Times Roman text font size 12. Click the view tab and engage the ruler. I set the 2 little triangles all the way to the left and then move the top triangle over a bit to the right (this sets your paragraph indents). I use the left justify setting when I type.

HERE IT IS!!!!!!!!!

A better way is to set your style for a paragraph indent of 0.38” this is equivalent to about 3 spaces and looks good on a kindle. The default is 0.5”

Either of these two methods will work, but if you use the ruler remember to be consistent!

Note: when you set styles, you should base them on "Normal" style.

Do not change the normal style!

It should be a block text format with Times new Roman font size 12 and no paragraph indentations. Many users will change their "Normal" style to whatever suits them, but that causes problems down the road when you try to change a style to a different version.

When you "Create a New Style" to be sure and check the box add to template, but leave the automatic update one UN-checked

I should mention here that lately I have been using the Dragon Naturally Speaking voice to text program (have I mentioned that I am lazy?)

I set my view on "normal" and I just type away I do not pay any attention to the very faint lines indicating where the pages will be on regular typing paper. The Kindle has a different page size, and the conversion will compensate for this.

For Chapters , insert a page break using the insert drop-down menu. Put the page break immediately after the last word of the preceding chapter. This prevents unwanted blank pages after a chapter.


I will then add a few blank lines on to the new page to begin a new chapter. Be consistant!


You can set a style – call it Chapter Headings and this will make it easy to be consistent. When you create a new style, you can have it automatically leave a "Space Before" and a "Space After" – six units is the equivalent of one line. You can also have the text to be automatically centered and have it be bold and eight text size of 24.

Be Sure the box "Do not add space between paragraphs of the same style." Is marked.

For chapter headings

I center the text and boost the text size up to 24. When typing for the Kindle, increasing the text size like this will cause enlarged text to appear wherever it is placed this is nice for chapter headings, and you can even boost the text size for the first letter, word, or sentence in the new chapter in it will produce the same effect!

I should also mention here that the bold and italics and underline functions will also work. The Kindle conversion will accept these enhancements, but increasing the text size will not be a linear type function, just because you make something 10 times larger does not mean it will be 10 times larger in the Kindle. If you increase your text size by a small amount the Kindle conversion may not notice it. Note, if you like, you can do your chapter headings with right justify to the right side of the page and the Kindle will right justify that text within your book.

For a book cover,

you can create a JPEG – it can even be the same JPEG that you intend to use as the cover art for your Amazon Kindle book page – and using the insert drop-down menu place it in your Word document – just be sure that the cover art looks OK in B&W (That's grayscale for you purists).

Obviously the best place to put this would be the very beginning of your document I did this by adding a blank line there and then a page break. Above the page break left justify the text and insert on the first (using the insert drop-down) a picture (from file), and Bang! There it is! This cover page should only be one lines long, the same line is the page break! – The cursor should actually sit on the page break line. Incidentally, you can bookmark that first line "cover" by using the insert drop-down menu to place a bookmark with this name. This causes the Kindle to recognize that page as the cover. (note: no caps or quotes!)


To prevent a blank page before the cover (or any other Full Page Image), set the paragraph indent to be 0.01” – that is 1 one hundredth of an inch! You can create a style for this I call mine “FPImage”!

If you want to convert your book using the Calibre program, you must set the style to be "Normal" – block text and the image should be centered – this is one of a few concessions that need to be taken into account if you plan to create a MOBI book!

Also note for word to KDP the full page image should be left justified

For Calibre it should be centered

After insertion, I will right click the image and select ‘Format’ and make sure the layout is “Inline With Text” and re size the image to be 7.5” wide and let word work out the height aspect ratio.

Also if the preview shows a blank page AFTER the cover, you can eliminate the page break after the cover and have it run directly to the title page.

If you want your book to open with the cover, place the bookmark Start in place of the cover one. (More about this later)


I use large “feed stock” for all images800X1200 size or even 1000X1500, but the maximum size accepted by the bookshelf for cover images is 1200 pixels!


A lot of people make a big deal about the pixel size of your images when your book file undergoes conversion, they are automatically resized so there is no need to do that yourself. You can simply set the image size – and like I mentioned above, I just set either the width or the height and let Word take care of the aspect ratio. If you have a lot of images (15+) it would be a good idea to be size them to smaller sizes to keep your overall book file from becoming too large to be manageable – a size around 200 – 300 kB works well.


NOTE: FOR THE USERS OF WORD FOR MAC AND OPEN OFFICE, neither of these two programs will support internal hyperlinks and bookmarks that allow you to Hand create the table of contents – you will have to consult your help files to find out how to create a table of contents. Better still, find a friend who has a PC and word – it really isn't very hard doing it that way!

This File Was Edited On 2/6/2012

For chapters, in the upper left-hand corner of each page, you can insert a bookmark identifying the chapter number – this needs to be something like "ch23" I don't use any capital letters or spaces with bookmarks just to play it safe! Bookmark titles must start with a letter. And cannot have any spaces and must be either letters or numbers no other characters are permitted.

Here is a handy hint: start your chapter numbers with ch01, ch02 … this will keep them lined up neatly in the bookmark work window!

(More about this later)

Also be sure to put the bookmark on a separate line at the top of the chapter!

Many people will bookmark the chapter heading. If done this way, the TOC links can cause the chapter heading to "Mess Up"

This is because the bookmark takes the text reading point past some of the chapter heading formatting this will cause no centering and small font size for the heading!

At the beginning of the text of your book (this would be whatever you consider the beginning of your book to be) in the upper left-hand corner of that page insert a bookmark labeled "start". If this is chapter 1 you would label it "start" instead of "CH1"

The hardest part of this whole process will be building the "Table of Contents" or the " toc " – as it will be referred to in the bookmark.

Simply create a new page using the insert a page break method – I like to do this between the cover and the start of the book. Be sure and label this page in the upper left-hand corner with a bookmark named "toc". This should probably be one of the last things you do and here is why:

If you've been diligent in creating your chapters, and placing a bookmark at the beginning of each one labeled with the appropriate chapter number, building the table of contents will be simple. On the table of contents page, just type in the phrase "Chapter 1" and then copy/paste it all the way down the page and go back and re number the chapters appropriately. Then you can go in and highlight each "Chapter X" and right-click it and select "Hyperlink" you will have to click the appropriate target location in the hyperlink window that appears (this will be "within the document"). Scroll down the bookmark list and select the appropriate one and click it then click the “Add” button, and go to the next “Chapter X” to hyperlink.

The rules are: the bookmarks must be created before the hyperlinks. There can be one and only one bookmark of a particular name (if you accidentally give a bookmark the name of a pre-existing bookmark, the old bookmark will disappear – if you want to move a bookmark, just place the cursor in the appropriate place and insert the bookmark – the old same name bookmark will disappear). You can have multiple hyperlinks that point to the same bookmark.

If you created the bookmarks while you are creating your chapters, you can use the insert bookmark function to navigate within your document – if you click any where and then go to the insert drop-down and activate "bookmark", one of the bookmark window’s function is "go to". If you activate the bookmark window and scroll down and select a bookmark and then press the "go to" button, your cursor will jump to that other bookmark! (Neat huh?) To determine the name of a bookmark, put your cursor exactly on the bookmark – they look like an elongated letter "I" and click the insert drop-down and click on a bookmark. The name of that particular bookmark will be active in the work window.

Once you have added hyperlinks to your document, you can navigate by placing your cursor on the hyperlink and pressing the control key and clicking the hyperlink this will cause the cursor to jump to the hyperlinked location. (That's neat also!) You can use this function to test hyperlinks and see that they are linked to their proper bookmark.

At this point, your book is ready to be uploaded to the KDP Bookshelf as a word document (Word.doc) – be sure and preview each and every word by using the preview function that is available after a book file is uploaded.

If you have full page images, like the cover, there may still be a blank page before each of these full page images. This and other formatting problems can be cleared up by converting your Word.doc document to a Word.htm document!

This is still easy! Just close out your document and then go to whatever folder is in and create a new folder called "my book in HTML." – Or something similar Open the folder and create a subfolder in it called "my book to be zipped". Re-open your Word document and activate the ‘Save As’ function – you may want to change the name to HTML (your book's name) and save it in the "my book to be zipped folder". Be sure to save it as a Webpage, Filtered– you will get a warning just ignore it! (Click the "Yes" button.)

If you look inside the "my book to be zipped" folder, you'll see that there are two files: one file is the HTML Word document of your book and the other is a folder by the same name that contains any images you have added. In order to properly open your HTML Word document, you should right-click it and select the "open with Microsoft Word" option. Double-clicking your HTML Word document will cause it to open in your browser's webpage! You can double-click this Word.htm document and open it in your browser and test the hyperlinks and verify that they are working.

Here is the WebPage, Filtered Work flow:

From Word.doc => Word.htm (Webpage, Filtered)

Open the Word.doc and do a Save As Webpage, Filtered, But direct the Save into a separate, empty File Folder.

Word will issue a dire warning just ignore it and click yes!

This folder should be created ahead of time, placed in a convenient place, and given a distinct name that is easy to find.

After the save as, your open Word.doc will become Word.htm

Close it

Find the empty file folder (now it will have the Word.htm and a file of your images in it) send the entire file folder (Word.htm and Image folder) to a zipped file by right clicking it and selecting Send to ... Compressed (Zipped) File.

This Zipped file is what you upload to the KDP Bookshelf

The zipping ties the images to the Word.htm; otherwise, the Conversion engine will ignore them.

NOTE: If you do not have ==> ANY <== IMAGES AT ALL, You do not have to zip the Word.htm file

Note for MAC Word users (this isn't confirmed!)

Do all the same steps Like I said the MAC does a save as HTML (?? Please let me know on this!)

Whe Mac does HTML there are 3 folders ! the Word.htm text file, the Image folder with the pictures in it, and a weird little folder of thums or somethng!

When I get one of these on my PC, I Delete the (THUMBNAIL??) folder, the ZIP it!

I belive the Mac term is to Archive or Save for Archive?? (will someone please confirm??)

Any Way... it is the Zipped (Compressed, Archived?) folder that you upload to the KDP

DO NOT Modify the Word.htm file using Word! It will Wreck the formatting.

Go back to your Word.doc file and make the changes there. Delete the old Word.htm file and Re SaveAs a filtered webpage and direct that to the now empty file folder. – The Word.htm file in the image folder are paired together and when one is deleted the other will vanish!

When you are ready to upload this to the DTP bookshelf, right click on the "my book to be zipped" folder and select "send to a Compressed (zipped) file". A zipped file of that folder's name will then appear. This is the file folder you will send to the DTP bookshelf via the upload function. After the book uploads, it will be converted to the Kindle book and you can preview it.

This "single zipped" folder is also the one that you can upload to Calibre (more about this later)

If you have a Kindle, you can e-mail it to the "your Kindle name" or "your Kindle name" Using the Personal Document Service. This can only happen if you actually own a Kindle (or have a friend who does). This zipped file needs to be placed inside a folder and that folder needs to be zipped. (Yes that is right!) This double zipped folder is what you e-mail to the Kindle e-mail address. (It is a Kindle Thing!) – It is also called a Zip/Zip folder.

You could get Kindle for PC for free from Amazon and you can wrestle with MobiPocket creator, but if you're going to be producing books for the Kindle it wouldn't be bad to invest in one. The baseline model is $79 and if you poke around eBay or Craig’s list, you may find one cheaper. I guess you could buy a junker on eBay really cheap and you could register its serial number to activate the Kindle e-mail address, but that would be would be really tacky!

If you plan to be uploading To Calibre, the MOBI file it creates will also be completely visible on the KFPC and other Kindle apps.

A good alternative to MobiPocket is to use Calibre – it is a free download, Google it!

More on this later!

You will notice that this method does not automatically build the table of contents!

I Do not use the automatic headings or styles.

The reason is to be able to hand craft the Table of contents (toc)

The links for chapters could be ‘enhanced’ by adding tantalizing descriptions of the chapters to give the sample reader a better idea of what the book will be like. This is important if your book is a slow start. An informational ‘toc’ can really help sell a book.

Also, when a book is converted using Calibre to have it function properly, the toc created by a Word can be modified to accommodate some of the quirks that pop up when using Calibre.



This starts the word to Calibre to kindle post:


Note you do NOT need to zip the Word.htm file just open it with Calibre and go from there.(Calibre is a very smart program!)

After considerable experimentation, I have finally figured out a way to get Calibre to behave and create a very nice Kindle-book from Word documents. (Word.htm)

I use Word.doc documents, but for Calibre I do the save as a filtered webpage – HTML conversion. And then zip it.

Calibre is a very clever program and will accept a zipped HTML folder – the same folder you would upload to the KDP Bookshelf – as an e-book and then can simply convert it into MOBI (and just about any other) format.

The following method will create a Kindle compatible book that can be uploaded to the KDP Bookshelf and published. And will have the NCX like waypoints that function via the five way controller that all Kindles use.

It will have a nice full-page cover, a logical TOC, and can be made to either open at the start point, the table of contents, or, a full-page version of the cover. All of the Kindle's goto menu functions will be fully functional. And if you are viewing it with the KindleForPC, the new PDF like side panel navigation bar will be fully functional.

The first thing I do is load the zipped HTML folder into Calibre and use its convenient editing features to add the author's name (JT Big Toad) and the publisher (Big Toad Press)! – I do that just for fun, but they will carry over in the MOBI book and if it is loaded directly onto a Kindle the author's name – JT Big Toad will appear. If the MOBI book is loaded into the KFPC program, it will become part of the program's library and the cover picture that you create for it will be displayed in the thumbnail version of the library display.

After uploading the zipped HTML file and naming it for identification purposes, I select the convert books individually tab.

When you do this, you are presented with the book conversion work window:

In the upper left hand corner it shows the type of source file being converted (Zip).

In the upper right-hand corner, the type of file (MOBI) being created is listed – if this is not listed to be a MOBI file, you can change it to read MOBI. – From the drop-down menu note that there are many, many different file types available.

Along the left-hand side of the window are several formatting condition tabs:

1. The first is the Metadata Tab.

I don't fool around with the metadata that much except that this is where you add the full-page cover. There is a button you can click to browse for which JPEG that you want to use for the book’s cover (this is the cover that the GoTo menu in the Kindle links to, and is a true full page Image -- no borders!

2. The next tab is the "Look and Feel" tab.

I don't change anything here, except there is a box you can check to "remove space between paragraphs" you can use this box if your book develops spaces between paragraphs and you can not use this to correct spaces that are generated using the space before and space after conditions nor will it erase double line feeds between paragraphs.

I like to have one line of space, but sometimes when the books convert, there is extra space between the paragraphs and clicking this box will eliminate the excess space without eliminating the single line that I like.

(You may prefer a different look)

3. The next tab is Heuristic Processing,

I don't have any idea what that is for nor do I change anything!

4. The next tab is the Page Setup Tab

Here, I click the output file to be Kindle, and the input file to be default input profile (that's the way it comes pre-selected and I don't change it.)

5. Structure Detection

The only button here to change is the "Remove First Image" button – More on this later. (For now leave it unchecked).

6. Table of Contents

The box to check here is the "Force Automatic Creation of Table of Contents" box.

If this box is not checked, there will be no GoTo link to the table of contents in the Kindle menu. And the Logical toc will not be created!

7. The next tab is the Search and Replace tab

I ignore this.

8. MOBI Output

Here, there is a box labeled "put table of contents in front instead of the rear" once again, I leave this box unchecked – More on this later also.

9. The final tab is the Debug tab

I ignore this one also.

After all of your conditions are set,

You simply press the "OK" button found in the lower right-hand corner of every one of the book conditions tab pages. Pressing any of these OK buttons will cause Calibre to create your MOBI book

It takes a few seconds (15-20) to happen and at first it will look like nothing is happening. Then the MOBI book option will appear next to your zip book option.

Also, the ugly generic book cover will change to your selected cover image.

After the MOBI book has been created, you can save that book to a separate location in your computer for easy uploading to the KDP bookshelf or conversion address.

To accomplish this, you simply click the little down arrow on the save to disk icon – make sure that you first click and highlight your book in the MOBI library display –

Select the "Save only MOBI format to disk" option you will be given a work window display and you can select the folder that you want the MOBI book stuff to be placed into.

When you select the "Save only MOBI format to disk" option it creates a nice folder inside the folder that you select and the title of it is the author's name you can click this file open and there will be a sub file with the book's title on it when you click this file open, there will be three files the MOBI book, an image of the cover, and an OPF file –( whatever that is?)

Now I must explain the conditions that I use to set up my Word.doc document to begin with.

For starters I use a very simple – non-formatted version for the e-book – no fancy headers or anything like that – Just page breaks and centered chapter titles set to 24 font size

(I also like to add chapter glyphs but once again that is just me!)

For the Table of Contents

I will create this by hand using hyperlinks and bookmarks. See the above comments at the beginning of this article.

If you want to have your cover to be the display starting point for your book ,

You have to manually insert a full-page cover at the beginning of your word document. This must be bookmarked something, I will either use cover or start. And it needs to be included in the very beginning of your toc!

If you want a start point for your book, this must also be marked I will use the bookmark – start.

In order to have the book to "flow" correctly, you have to add the cover and the start at the beginning of your Table of Contents.

Your MOBI book will start at the first item in the table of contents location (i.e. chapter 1) unless you add the cover or the start location this first item in the hand made toc is the start point for the MOBI book and the Kindle’s GoTo Beginning selection. What ever the first item is in your toc, this will be the declared starting point or the "beginning" of your book – the actual names of the items as they are bookmarked, do not matter I will give them traditional names simply because of habit and it makes it more easy to recognize what that is in your book document. You could name them larry, moe, and curleyjoe and they would still work!

Once again, the very first item in your handmade toc will be the starting point for your book – you have a choice it can be the cover (the word file cover) or some other point – the title page or even the first chapter it doesn't matter, you get to pick just make sure that it is bookmarked and the corresponding hyperlink is a very first item in your word toc.

I place my handmade table of contents in the front portion of my book.

The sequence in the book file is: cover, title page (start), table of contents, chapter 1.

The automatic creation of the logical table of contents forced by checking the box in item number six above uses this hand made table of contents as a template to create the logical table of contents. (It will be identical)

In item number 8, I leave the box "put the table of contents in the front…" Box unchecked.

If this box is checked the logical table of contents (MOBI TOC) will be placed in the very front of your book right after the automatically generated full-page cover and before anything else in your book

I don't like it there, and the MOBI TOC isn't very pretty, so I stick it in the very back, back of the book. – I will add a couple of blank pages – just put a little period on each page. I like to add a caption "The End" with a subheading (Click Here to Go to the Table of Contents) and I make that subheading a hyperlink that goes to the Word toc. Then I add the blank pages the MOBI TOC will go at the back of these!

If someone clicks the table of contents link in the Kindle's go to menu, it will take them to the MOBI TOC at the back, but then if they click one of the book links, they will go back into the structure of the book and probably won't know that this TOC was at the very back.

The handmade TOC will be fully functional, but it will not be accessed by the Kindle's go to menu. Putting it near the front of your book file positions it conveniently for display purposes. And it will show up in both "The Look inside" and the downloadable sample and can serve as a marketing tool.

In item 1, a full-page cover was created for the book, and this is a truly full-page image with no borders around it! This big beautiful full-page cover will not be the starting point for your book! It is only accessed by the GoTo menu and will display in some Kindle For… Apps as I mentioned earlier, it will also be the thumbnail display for your book in the KFPC library (I don't know about any of the other apps)

The starting point for your book will be the first thing listed in your handmade table of contents and then translated into the logical table of contents by its forced creation.

Also, it doesn't matter the order that you list things in your Word toc, the MOBI TOC will rearrange the items according to their location in the book starting with the first to the last. And it will be the MOBI TOC's first item that will be defined as the start!

If you want your book to start with a full-page cover, you must add one to your Word.doc document at the very beginning of the file. By bookmarking this cover and then having it linked in your hand created Table of Contents, if it is the first item listed, the book will start there.

You can create a Spoof location – bookmark the Cover, cover and list it in your toc as just a period ( . ) (OR a Tilde (~) then hyperlink the little dot to the cover Calibre won’t know the difference this will become the Beginning of your book in the GoTo menu so you can skip listing the ‘start’ location. but you may want a manual link to the title page (with the copyright notice or link to the copyright)

In item number five you have to leave the "delete first image" box unchecked or your cover and it's hyperlink will be removed from your final document. And it will not be visible in the book’s startup.

I am not at all versatile in HTML and if you are, you could probably build your own HTML files to your own specifications, let's face it I am lazy and I'm going to let Word do all that for me!

Also, I obliquely touched on this, but it needs to be mentioned here also.

When you are doing Kindle formatting Using Word as either a Word.doc or a Word.htm the method for suppressing the Kindle's automatic indentation of block text is to set a paragraph style with an indentation of 0.01"this is enough to suppress the Kindle's automatic indentation, but not enough for the Kindle to actually indent anything.

This works with images – the blank page before a full page image phenomenon is caused by that automatic indentation the image occupies a full page, and the indentation pushes the full page image to the next full-page thus creating a blank page.

When you convert to Calibre, it treats things differently, it has a minimum indentation of around 2 to 3 spaces if you have a paragraph indent set at 0.01 inches, Calibre will indent these paragraphs (and the image) 2 to 3 spaces.

This will cause those non-indented Kindle paragraphs to be indented, and will push that full page image to the next page and produce the blank page before a full page image phenomenon.

Calibre will honor block text – i.e. no indentation so if you make all of those 0.01 inch indented paragraphs to be normal block text,(With ZERO indentation) they will not indent in the Calibre MOBI conversion and that includes any full-page images that may exist.

Also, it is customary to left justify the full page image in the Word Kindle documents, but with Calibre, the full-page images should be centered – even though a full page image is a full-page, there will be a border especially in the KFPC version. If the full page image is centered, the margin around it will be uniform in the final Kindle version.


Thank you for pointing out one of the deficiencies in my post.

I need to apologize about that, because I've been using the Calibre program for a while now and I just got used to doing it without thinking.

Here is what to do after you create your MOBI book using Calibre

1. At the top of the Calibre work window there is a button labeled "save to disk" – click on the little down arrow. (It is the third option from the extreme right.)

2. Be sure you have highlighted the correct book in the library window of Calibre by clicking on its number – the entire book listing should be highlighted.

3. Select the item "Save only MOBI format to disk.

4. A Browse For Folder work window will open and you can select which ever file folder you want to put the MOBI file in.

5. When you click "OK", which ever file folder you selected will open and you will notice that a new folder has been created with the author's name as its title.

6. If you open this folder, you'll see that there is a subfolder created with the book's title as its name.

7. If you open this book folder there will be three files – an image file (JPEG) of your book cover, the MOBI book file of your book, and an OPS file (And I don't have a clue what this is for.)

8. The MOBI book file is the file that you upload to the KDP or open to view on either the Kindle for your computer or the Downloadable Previewer 2.03

9. You can also send this MOBI book as an attachment to the (Your Kindle)@ or the (Your Kindle) to get the AZW version of your book on to the Kindle or to preserve for your records.
(No zipping necessary)

I hope this clears up any questions anyone has about which file to use!


For all the people out there that have managed to figure out how to make Word automatically generate The Table of Contents, a User Added This Comment:

Just one addition
if you need a multi-level contents list you'll need to set your requirements in the 'Table of Contents' area of Calibre Convert books.
Assuming in Word you set the chapter headings as heading 1; subheadings as heading 2; sub-sub headings as heading 3 then you'll need to add:
• In 'Level 1 TOC' //h:h1
• In 'Level 2 TOC' //h:h2
• In 'Level 3 TOC' //h:h3

Example can be seen by looking at the sample of

Thanks to: jadax for this information

Jtbigtoad :)




What does everybody think?

update 2/17/12

Message was edited by: jtbigtoad

Wow the new "Look" of the board is wrecking havoc with the older posts!


Edited by: jtbigtoad on Nov 18, 2012 10:01 AM


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Posted: Oct 19, 2011 4:15 AM   in response to: jtbigtoad in response to: jtbigtoad
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Very impressive for a 'lazy' person.
I am attempting to convert my first book from Word and am quite intimidated by all the rules.
I will be reading your file in line by line detail to guide me thru this process. Thanks for your help

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Posted: Oct 19, 2011 6:37 AM   in response to: jtbigtoad in response to: jtbigtoad
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Hi This looks pretty amazing to me...I've today finished my masterpiece, and need to format it....excuse my dense brain but what's MOBI?

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Posted: Oct 19, 2011 8:10 AM   in response to: catcleugh in response to: catcleugh
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MOBI is a file type

For kindle books there is:

BOOK.AZW The official Kindle format

Book.prc this is created by mobipocket creator

Book.Mobi created by Calibre

Book File.doc a word document


The Kdp Bookshelf will accept many formats for conversion

Including .mobi and .prc and .doc

the .mobi and .prc are also viewable on Kindles and Kindle apps without conversion!

This allows you to preview your book with out convertin and publishing it

You can also send all of the above file types to the @Free.Kindle.Com personal document service for conversion, but you have to own a "REAL" kindle to qulify!



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Posted: Oct 19, 2011 8:34 AM   in response to: jtbigtoad in response to: jtbigtoad
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Thank You JT.

Being the village idiot, I usually don't try to compute, but I'll give this a go. Maybe an old dog can learn new tricks!


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Posted: Oct 19, 2011 9:45 AM   in response to: jtbigtoad in response to: jtbigtoad
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You say you are lazy and you said earlier that you are "simplistic" and that is the reason you like Calibre.

Calibre is far from simplistic... and, in this, and other posts, you are making it sound far easier than it is.

Yes... it is no problem to drop a file into it and grab it on the other end... but there is many a slip between the cup and the lip... to coin a phrase.

Yes, you will get a mobi file, but -- unless you do some programming to Calibre's guts -- if that mobi is formatted exactly as you want it, that's just happenstance... Calibre did what it wanted to do... and that happened to be what you wanted.

So you thought (and so did I at first)... WOW! This is great!

And Calibre IS GREAT!

But it's easy only if Calibre in its default state produces exactly what you want.

The fact is, if you want something that is other than Calibre's default, you won't get what you want without some further work.

One example... it puts a page break before every Heading 1 AND before every Heading 2.

In most books I've seen (and I've seen a lot... maybe not a zillion as I am fond of saying... but a lot)... that creates unwanted page breaks.

It can be fixed... but only by doing some changes to Calibre's default setup.

I love Calibre... it is an absolutely fantastic program and it gets better with each update... which is almost as often as weekly...

But simplistic, it is not!

Happy Kindling,

CJ, at CJ's Easy as Pie Kindle Tutorials

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Posted: Oct 19, 2011 2:00 PM   in response to: cjeasyaspie in response to: cjeasyaspie
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**One example... it puts a page break before every Heading 1 AND before every Heading 2.**

This happens in Sigil also, though it's easy to fix. It's particularly annoying on the title page!

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Posted: Oct 19, 2011 4:07 PM   in response to: notjohn in response to: notjohn
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Hi JT,

How about this method.

1-Write our ebook in .doc

2-Convert it into .pdf

3-Build it into .prc using MobiPocket

4-Then upload the .prc file into KDP

Will this work JT?

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Posted: Oct 19, 2011 4:14 PM   in response to: iluvkindle in response to: iluvkindle
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PDF is never a good idea, and complexity is generally a bad idea.

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Posted: Oct 19, 2011 4:43 PM   in response to: notjohn in response to: notjohn
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Then I guess the old method .doc>html>mobi is the best for now =]

I'm trying to add a new title into my bookshelf but the problem is KDP is taking too long to loading. Is this happens to you mate or am I just the one experienced it?

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Posted: Oct 19, 2011 5:02 PM   in response to: iluvkindle in response to: iluvkindle
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Is the Upload slow or is it the Conversion??

You have to look close!

While it is converting I will click out of the edit page to the main bookshelf and then go right back to it

9 times out of 10 the file will be readuy to preview'

It is sort of that watched pot never boils thing!

I think it uses a certan amount of server 'oomph' to display the twirley thing and if you let it go and come back to it the conversion system gives 100% to the conversion.

also if it is being stubborn, just re initiate the uploadand let it start over You may have a bum server....

Also if you are "Tweaking" a book -- Loading the same file up over and over with only minor changes, it can hang up I will upload a small Junk word.doc file and let that convert and then re upload the Main event it really seems to help!



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Posted: Oct 19, 2011 5:14 PM   in response to: cjeasyaspie in response to: cjeasyaspie
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[b]One example... it puts a page break before every Heading 1 AND before every Heading 2.

Nowhere in my post do I mention H1 and H2 Headdings!

This is for [b]SIMPLE WORD DOCUMENTS![/b]


It gives me CONTROL of the OUTCOME!

I don't fiddle faddle with all of that stuff because that's where the trouble starts!

Simple is the Key!

Why try to build a Rube Golburg contraption into a Word File when you can just Type away

95 % of a book is text why should the 5% be the problem???

a book with 40 chapters can be Headding-ed and toc-ed in less than 30 minutes and that is IF you don't do it while you go....



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Posted: Oct 19, 2011 5:38 PM   in response to: jtbigtoad in response to: jtbigtoad
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Neither do both JT. It's the title, description, etc. page. Not even close to upload and conversion though. I wonder what's the problem. I better check with Amazon support then. The funny thing is when I add a new title, then it's loading too long about 1/2 hour. I closed the window, then I open a new window into my bookshelf. Well there sit the new title with title "New Title 1". I click on the edit button then again loading too long. Now, how the hell can I add a new ebook then?

The weird thing is this forum seems to be fine for me and I still can reply your post JT =P

P/s: Is KDP starting to hate me??? =]

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Posted: Oct 19, 2011 5:53 PM   in response to: iluvkindle in response to: iluvkindle
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Still loading, loading and loading :(

Well it's enough for me today guys dealing with this loading problem.

Better grab some latte and enjoy this life =]

Take care.

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Posted: Oct 20, 2011 4:45 AM   in response to: iluvkindle in response to: iluvkindle
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What browser?

You can create a new Fake book and load the test file to that new book and see if it will convert!

Also while a book is uploading and converting, You can simply click the browse button again and start the process over...

Look closely at the twirley thing

does the caption say uploading....

or does it say converting.....

Uploading means you have a connection problem and your browser to amazon is off base

Converting means that something in your file is gumming up the works!

Try loading a short Word file -- just a grocery list of "Mary had a little lamb" on top of the book with the stuck twirley thing

see if that doesn't break the thing out of its epileptic fit!

Sometimes you just get a wonkey server connection



Note also check the file name make sure it isn't off some how
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