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Charlie S

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Posted: Aug 21, 2015 8:55 AM   in response to: Ron Chappell in response to: Ron Chappell
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Why would an aspiring author want to submit their work to an inaccessible and dying faction of the industry? Ebooks are currently where it's at, and Amazon reportedly sells about 80% of those.

75% of all books sold are print books. eBook sales are holding steady--not climbing.

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Charlie S

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Posted: Aug 21, 2015 8:59 AM   in response to: Suzanne in response to: Suzanne
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A German publisher approached one of my best clients, and while they didn't buy any of her self-published books, they did make her an offer to publish her NEXT book in Germany only, which she took. Several of her books held the number one spot in her genre though. And honestly, she writes crap, but it sells.

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Posted: Aug 21, 2015 9:26 AM   in response to: Charlie S in response to: Charlie S
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she writes crap, but it sells.

To most publishers (and most readers), that's all that matters!

I don't fully understand about this publishing-in-Germany works out. A translation? If in English, Amazon of course has a DE store, and if she publishes through Draft 2 Digital there are several options (Apple, Tolino, perhaps others) that have a presence in Germany.

Good luck! -- NJ

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Ron Chappell

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Posted: Aug 21, 2015 9:37 AM   in response to: billhiatt in response to: billhiatt
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billhiatt wrote:
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Why would an aspiring author want to submit their work to an inaccessible and dying faction of the industry? Ebooks are currently where it's at, and Amazon reportedly sells about 80% of those. Beating your head against a brick wall in hopes of getting past the now frayed, and desperate gate-keepers is futile at best. Indie publishing is plug and play––no, you may not sell a book... but at least you'll have a book... and you'll have a shot right out of the box. And you will call the shots. What you make of that is up to you and whatever talent you might possess. You'll notice that even those with successful traditional publishing experience are right here touting their wares in "Indie" land––follow the money. ;^)
Ron, I think I fall somewhere in between your optimism about self-publishing and the position of some posters in other threads who advice everyone to get self-published.

Ebooks may be the wave of the future, but right now paper books still have significant sales, and bookstores and libraries are still pretty conservative in their reaction to self-publishing.

I'm with you in that I like calling the shots. However, recently I got involved in a very extensive conversation on Twitter with authors who really like being trad published. (I don't mean authors like the celebs the Big Five trots out periodically to talk about how self-publishing is the first sign of Armageddon; I mean people more like us.) I got a couple of them to admit that self-publishing wasn't necessarily a bad choice for everyone, but they all liked the support they got from agents and from editors at publishing houses. Each of them felt that they produced a better product because of all the input they got. They did concede that that really only works once a writer has gotten past the gatekeepers, and that there can be agent or publisher mismatches that aren't productive, but their personal experience was positive.

As a teacher I'm pretty sold on the idea that one size does not fit all. I wouldn't discourage a writer from going the trad route, though I would point out some of the pitfalls.

Bill, I have always found your posts well thought out, and respect your opinion in this case as well, however, I might add more weight to the "pitfalls" in trad publishing you allude to––chief among them being the fact that a new author doesn't simply "go the trad route". Becoming trad published is a virtual impossibility for most. Amazon publishing, on the other hand, is an open door leading, at very least, to an honest appraisal of ones talent and some indicator of what might be accomplished in other venues. imho ;^)

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Posted: Aug 21, 2015 10:47 AM   in response to: Ron Chappell in response to: Ron Chappell
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Posted: Aug 21, 2015 10:50 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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Notjohn wrote:
she writes crap, but it sells.

To most publishers (and most readers), that's all that matters!

I don't fully understand about this publishing-in-Germany works out. A translation? If in English, Amazon of course has a DE store, and if she publishes through Draft 2 Digital there are several options (Apple, Tolino, perhaps others) that have a presence in Germany.

This was a book she just wrote. It hadn't been published before. I don't know if she was allowed to publish in other languages or not. I just know that she signed a deal to have a new book published by this company in Germany. As far as I know, they only published it inside Germany and in the German language.

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Larry Hires

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Posted: Aug 21, 2015 11:38 AM   in response to: Ron Chappell in response to: Ron Chappell
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"Amazon, by the way, recently posted an 11 billion dollar profit." - Ron Chappell

I'm sure you don't mean to imply that that was all in books.
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Posted: Aug 21, 2015 1:19 PM   in response to: Larry Hires in response to: Larry Hires
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Larry Hires wrote:
"Amazon, by the way, recently posted an 11 billion dollar profit." - Ron Chappell

I'm sure you don't mean to imply that that was all in books.

Larry, not at all, if I had meant to imply it I would have said it. What the statement does point out is that Amazon's business models are prospering while the few big publishers left... not so much, according to the stock market. ;^)

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Posted: Aug 21, 2015 1:25 PM   in response to: Charlie S in response to: Charlie S
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Charlie S wrote:
Ron Chappell wrote:
Why would an aspiring author want to submit their work to an inaccessible and dying faction of the industry? Ebooks are currently where it's at, and Amazon reportedly sells about 80% of those.

75% of all books sold are print books. eBook sales are holding steady--not climbing.


"The best revenge is to be unlike him who performed the injury." ~ Marcus Aurelius.

Charlie, where does my statement contradict yours?

"When those around you are going down the tubes, holding steady IS winning!" - Stumpy Bill, Acme pool hall.

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Posted: Aug 21, 2015 1:56 PM   in response to: Charlie S in response to: Charlie S
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Charlie S

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Posted: Aug 21, 2015 2:46 PM   in response to: Ron Chappell in response to: Ron Chappell
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How are print books or books by traditional publishers a dying industry when they sell most of the books by far?

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Charlie S

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Posted: Aug 21, 2015 3:11 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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Yesterday I was listening to an old TV interview from France with Chet Atkins from about 30 years ago, and he was asked why he quit being a producer. (He used to be head of RCA's Nashville division.) He said he had to listen to demos all day and there would only be maybe one good one out of a hundred. He shook his head and said, "I just couldn't take it anymore."

Music is no different from books. The talent pool is very limited in any field of art. But there's always some room at the top for slime.

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Ron Chappell

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Posted: Aug 21, 2015 3:35 PM   in response to: Charlie S in response to: Charlie S
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Charlie S wrote:
How are print books or books by traditional publishers a dying industry when they sell most of the books by far?

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Yes, I've pondered that question myself and since there are only five major players left now (out of a previous multitude) I can only conclude they are poor businessmen (grin) ...or could it be that they had a tough time competing with Indie pricing. Something caused the demise of all those big box book stores––but then maybe it was Amazon selling a vast number of those print books the trads publish?

The bottom line is: Trads selling less - Indies steady on.

Since you are running your banner adds on an Indie forum I can only assume you agree to some extent. ;^)
Charlie S

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Posted: Aug 21, 2015 5:14 PM   in response to: Ron Chappell in response to: Ron Chappell
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But traditional publishing is not declining at all anymore. They've been doing about 75% of all book sales for a couple of years now. As far as material bookstores closing, a lot of that is because department stores like Walmart and Target started carrying books and because many people buy print books online now too. Buying online doesn't mean buying indie. I can just as easily buy the latest offerings from HarperCollins as I can your books at Amazon. In fact, easier. I'll probably never see your books because of product placement and the deep advertising pockets of big publishers.

I don't format books just for indies. I'd say it's about 50-50 indies and small publishers. Besides, formatting books is just part-time pocket money for me. I only made $10k with it last year. I'm not even sure I would want to be stuck behind a desk doing it full-time if I could. I like the challenges of it though. It's fun to try to figure out a way to make certain features work on devices where they aren't supposed to and that sort of thing. I like troubleshooting and finding workarounds for conundrums. I was formatting PD books for fun years before I ever started making money with it.

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