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jenngen

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Dwindling Payout on Pages Read
Posted: Dec 2, 2015 10:54 AM
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So is the payout per pages read dwindling or not? I have heard some talk of this and I did think that last month I got paid more like .004 cents per page, but I am not really sure about that. So is it winding down or not and can someone shed some light on this for me in terms of what to expect going foward? TIA
Kevin O'Connell

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Posted: Dec 2, 2015 11:02 AM   in response to: jenngen in response to: jenngen
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What it comes down to is if there is more product out there for potential readers, and more of that product gets read per page, then the $ amount (bank) put aside for the process gets divided into smaller pieces: the numerator stays the same, but the denominator grows. Not much you can do. I'm finding more people are opting for the lending library and less are buying.
Shaun K. Gold

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Re: Dwindling Payout on Pages Read
Posted: Dec 2, 2015 12:23 PM   in response to: Kevin O'Connell in response to: Kevin O'Connell
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I don't count on pages read for any money, just a method for keeping score, for seeing if people are actually taking the time to read my books.
billhiatt

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Re: Dwindling Payout on Pages Read
Posted: Dec 2, 2015 3:57 PM   in response to: jenngen in response to: jenngen
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jenngen wrote:
So is the payout per pages read dwindling or not? I have heard some talk of this and I did think that last month I got paid more like .004 cents per page, but I am not really sure about that. So is it winding down or not and can someone shed some light on this for me in terms of what to expect going foward? TIA
It think last month was about .48 cents per page. It started at .58, so the general direction so far has been down.

Like Shaun, I don't count on any particular figure. My sales have been consistent since the introduction of KU, so I don't think borrows are cannibalizing sales. With that in mind, I just look at KU as extra income. If a writer felt as if he or she was losing sales, and/or he or she could get more sales income by being available on other venues than KU brings in, then it would be time to look at opting out of Select.
David Kersten

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Re: Dwindling Payout on Pages Read
Posted: Dec 2, 2015 4:42 PM   in response to: Kevin O'Connell in response to: Kevin O'Connell
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Kevin O'Connell wrote:
What it comes down to is if there is more product out there for potential readers, and more of that product gets read per page, then the $ amount (bank) put aside for the process gets divided into smaller pieces: the numerator stays the same, but the denominator grows. Not much you can do. I'm finding more people are opting for the lending library and less are buying.
I disagree with this. Readers don't start suddenly reading more just because there is more content available. There are more subscribers, more content, and should be the same average pages read per subscriber and hence the same payout, but Amazon is adjusting the percentage they pay out to fit their needs. The percentage change is too dramatic for it to be anything other than Zon adjusting the payout. Since they set the final pool and don't tell us the total pages read, they can set it to whatever they want and we have no way to dispute it.

And frankly, my ratio of borrows to unit sales dropped from 65% to less than 30%. Each and every author is seeing something different based on their own products and genre. It is unpredictable at best. The trend from day one would suggest a payout for November of about .44 cents per page, with it dropping below .4 cents per page in January. Hopefully they will ease up on the greed and shift back toward a half cent, but don't count on it.
Kevin O'Connell

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Re: Dwindling Payout on Pages Read
Posted: Dec 2, 2015 6:26 PM   in response to: David Kersten in response to: David Kersten
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Could be a reasonable perspective, but the $12 million number has been consistent, maybe a bit more a couple of months, $12.3. Also, it doesn't serve Amazon in the long run to discourage authors from going this route. It is a synergistic relationship. Authors don't make any money without a vehicle, and the vehicle is useless if authors aren't around to drive it. I'll keep the rose-colored glasses on, at least for a while longer.

Edited by: Kevin O'Connell on Dec 2, 2015 6:26 PM
Marjorie Jones

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Re: Dwindling Payout on Pages Read
Posted: Dec 2, 2015 7:20 PM   in response to: David Kersten in response to: David Kersten
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David Kersten wrote:
Kevin O'Connell wrote:
What it comes down to is if there is more product out there for potential readers, and more of that product gets read per page, then the $ amount (bank) put aside for the process gets divided into smaller pieces: the numerator stays the same, but the denominator grows. Not much you can do. I'm finding more people are opting for the lending library and less are buying.
I disagree with this. Readers don't start suddenly reading more just because there is more content available. There are more subscribers, more content, and should be the same average pages read per subscriber and hence the same payout, but Amazon is adjusting the percentage they pay out to fit their needs. The percentage change is too dramatic for it to be anything other than Zon adjusting the payout. Since they set the final pool and don't tell us the total pages read, they can set it to whatever they want and we have no way to dispute it.

And frankly, my ratio of borrows to unit sales dropped from 65% to less than 30%. Each and every author is seeing something different based on their own products and genre. It is unpredictable at best. The trend from day one would suggest a payout for November of about .44 cents per page, with it dropping below .4 cents per page in January. Hopefully they will ease up on the greed and shift back toward a half cent, but don't count on it.


Some time ago, someone mentioned that since the monies are in a fund as opposed to a regular type of account, the Z is bound by different rules. They can't arbitrarily change the payouts without justification. They do, however, choose how much to put IN the fund, and if they are not upping the fund at the same rate that they are receiving new reader participants, then the pages read will increase and the payouts per page will go down. So, I'm not saying the amounts aren't being manipulated in some way, but I don't believe they can simply decide to pay less per page on a whim.

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