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inyun

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Re: Never give away your baby...
Posted: Feb 22, 2012 10:52 PM   in response to: thetimucuan in response to: thetimucuan
 
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Well back in 1968 after a couple tokes on my hash pipe I would have understood and said, "Wow man far out!"
kennydill

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Re: Sell me on the free book giveaway
Posted: Feb 22, 2012 10:55 PM   in response to: 76year2 in response to: 76year2
 
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I had no idea the preview included so much; amazon must have changed it. It is now a much better preview, in my opinion. But it is still my baby, and I love it not for its price, but for its value. Hash notwithstanding.
divorcedoctor

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Re: Never give away your baby...
Posted: Feb 22, 2012 11:37 PM   in response to: kennydill in response to: kennydill
 
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Nevermind.

smells like teen spirit!

.. which I love in the morning

how's it smell to you soldier?

I found it hard, it's hard to find
Oh well, whatever, nevermind
kennydill

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Re: Never give away your baby...
Posted: Feb 22, 2012 11:58 PM   in response to: divorcedoctor in response to: divorcedoctor
 
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Kurt Cobain always knew just what to say. Randomly flipped open his journal to page 179. It begins, "It's hard to decipher the difference between a sincere entertainer and an honest swindler."

Truer words, blah blah blah.
divorcedoctor

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Re: Never give away your baby...
Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:14 AM   in response to: kennydill in response to: kennydill
 
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Kurt Cobain always knew just what to say. Randomly
flipped open his first journal to page 179.

yes, "my feathers peacock are my pussy"

what a loss he was

"married, married, married, BURIED"
but he worked Courtney out too late and he got buried, and she did an OJ Simpson, on HIS money.

even her father said she murdered him but money spoke ie silenced

all part of American Beauty
sargeking

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Re: Never give away your baby...
Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:50 AM   in response to: divorcedoctor in response to: divorcedoctor
 
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Are you hitting the Foster's Lager a bit too hard these days (the "too" spelling is American, like me)?
sargeking

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Re: Sell me on the free book giveaway
Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:54 AM   in response to: dontstopbelievi... in response to: dontstopbelievi...
 
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My sales tripled when I put everything I have on KDP Select. For sure, I had some "borrows" but that is exactly what pumped-up my sales; word of mouth. I don't worry about a free borrow. I do resent a refund (ouch). You're going to have to make your own call on this opportunity. I've made mine and I sure am happy!
divorcedoctor

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Re: Never give away your baby...
Posted: Feb 23, 2012 1:12 AM   in response to: sargeking in response to: sargeking
 
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Are you hitting the Foster's Lager a bit too hard
these days (the "too" spelling is American, like me)?

not following you Sarge

maybe a 4 AM Sheet Parade is a bit TOO early for you.

what is your problem with "too"?
tigerofdarkness

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Re: Sell me on the free book giveaway
Posted: Feb 23, 2012 2:24 AM   in response to: inyun in response to: inyun
 
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I think it has killed sales.


Since I joined Amazon this is my approximate sales.


October 12 books


November 12 books


December 75 books but gave away 5,000 freebies


January 60 books


February 30 books first two weeks


The third week of February I only sold two books. I have not sold one book since the 18th I had two borrows in the first two weeks.


I do not even bother to check my sales anymore. After my 90 days is up I am going back to Smashwords but will also list at Amazon.
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So you enrolled in KDP Select in December? If so, your total sales since enrolling are about six times the total sales before.


What were your sales like on Smash Words before you enrolled in KDP Select, if I may ask?



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divorcedoctor

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Re: Never give away your baby...
Posted: Feb 23, 2012 3:13 AM   in response to: kennydill in response to: kennydill
 
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Kurt Cobain always knew just what to say.

my favorite was in Dumb:

"what more can I say,
everyone is gay"

he left it up in air as to which of the many pronks of "gay" everyone was

you and I know it was last one ie SouthPark style "you're gay Cartman", but Politically Correct America which Kurt hated would be saying 'look he is on our side in gay homo rights".

and Onion has just done a satire on the utter emptyness of this American Beauty by expressing Kurt's same frustrations via a 13 year old girl and Facebook where she too figures it's all just way too gay

http://www.theonion.com/video/braindead-teen-only-capable-of-rolling-eyes-and-te,27225/
myright2write

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Re: Sell me on the free book giveaway
Posted: Feb 23, 2012 6:31 AM   in response to: dontstopbelievi... in response to: dontstopbelievi...
 
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All I can do is share my perspective from a business and marketing side of things. When you are running a business you need to advertise that business before anyone knows who you are and what you do. Advertising costs money and time. Most businesses fail due to a lack of advertising or not offering what the customer wants.

To offer your book for free during a set period of time allows readers to know who you are and what you do. And, of course there will be those that will take anything for free. However, being added to the list of books that were also bought by other readers is a huge plus. The more books go out for free, the more times you are going to show up on that marketing tool.

There are many businesses that offer services for free in order to gain new customers. I have worked in the business world and I see how it works. Being an indie author makes you a business owner. I have seen business owners refuse to give anything away to anyone. I have also watched business owners carefully select the services that they will give away and have remarkable success with it. It is a marketing tool for them and it works. The same tool is available here, you just have to make a plan to use it in a way that benefits you and makes your readers happy.

An example would be to write a short story and then add the first chapter of one of your books as a bonus. They get the short story for free and if they like the first chapter, they can then buy your book.

I feel like many people are seeing only the fact that they have put a lot of hard work into something and do not want to just give it away. But they are missing out on the benefits of seeing the give away as advertising. The local car dealerships offer free gift items just to get you onto the show room. The grocery stores offer free samples every Friday. The local cleaning company will offer a free half hour cleaning. All of this is to get in front of you, the customer.

So, think of something that you can write, offer it for free and use it to get in front of your customer. Big business, small business, indie writers, all businesses need to advertise. This is a huge opportunity to do so, if it is used right.

One more thought, I have heard people say that the big book companies would never give something away for free. That is true, but they have a much bigger advertising budget. On top of that, they were unable to see the potential that indie authors had and missed out on a huge opportunity to work with them. Sometimes we can be so caught up in the way things have always been that we cannot see the benefit of accepting the changes that may come along. Imagine how different things would be now if they had seen the potential. Take the time to really look at what is being offered and discover the potential that it may hold for you and your business.
thetimucuan

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Re: Sell me on the free book giveaway
Posted: Feb 23, 2012 7:39 AM   in response to: myright2write in response to: myright2write
 
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I owned a small business for many decades, and I seldom gave anything away. My books are selling, so I do not need to give them away. I all ready have a readership base of about 15,000, and they wait anxiously for my next book. Giving your books away tells people your are desperate. Of course, 99% of self-published writers are desperate. I understand that. I was there for at least the first six months. I do not condemn anyone, I just think giving books away wholesale is a mistake. All books have a lifespan, and giving thousands of copies away just subtracts from the number of PAID sales before the book loses steam and sales drop to a trickle and it is time to write another book. Yes, books continue to sell forever, but the volume does drop off after a while.
reneestar

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Re: Sell me on the free book giveaway
Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:47 AM   in response to: dontstopbelievi... in response to: dontstopbelievi...
 
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okay---here's my experience---for what it's worth. I am new to this board and this is my first novel. I am unknown and un-published prior to Kindle. I believe I uploaded around the 10th of Jan, then I had to make some changes so I didn't actually go up until about the 13th, but neither here nor there. I was selling maybe 2 books a day for my first few days. I then decided to give my first Promo a try and that yielded me over 1100 downloads in one day. Well---I was shocked. Soon---I was in shock again when the rankings started to rise the next day. If you have not experienced it, it is a real downer... I tried my 2nd Promo day about 2 weeks later. NOT as good results. I think maybe I got a little over 400 downloads. I actually lost a day because I ended one Promo early. Day before yesterday I decided to give my last Promo a shot. I had 7402 downloads in a 24 hour period. Now---I have probably given my book away to the only 10,000 aprox. people that would have ever read it. This is a 358 page novel and it took me a couple of years to write. I also tried the .99 thing and I had no luck with that. It may work for Locke....but not for me and that is not really my reader. I don't guess...(-: Not sure actually who my reader is, but that is another topic. Point is---I agree a little with both sides on here. Do I hate the fact that I have given that many copies of my book away? Yeah. Especially, when I worked so hard for years. After the Promo ended yesterday I had aprox. 125 real sales. The sales started dropping last night---the rankings going up--and now I have pulled the book it is in Publishing because I had to make a change. Probably it will go back where it was. I did make it to #2 in Historical Romance and #32 on Amazons Best Seller FREE LIST. I am not sure that means ANYTHING---except that ITS FREE....I then managed to stay in the Top 100 Paid Historical Romance for a couple of days. So---maybe the advertising does help a little, but it is depressing as heck when reality sets in and you wonder---have I made a huge mistake? I have only been on here for about 5 weeks so it is a lot to consider. Okay rock throwers, I am behind a tree now....(-: I had to come "out of the closet" because I wanted to share my experience with someone else and maybe they can profit by my mistake??? Not sure yet. Oh---and as for the issue of pricing...I think I counted about 35 novels being offered in Historical Romance for .99. This was in the Top 100 Paid. I am not telling anyone how to price their work. To me, that's price fixing and I am not about that, but---I do agree that it is pointless to sell at this price point--I mean, what is the point? I am offering on Kindle at $2.99 and even at that for 358 pages and the amount of time and work I put in, but it's not about that---is it? Don't know. Still confused. AND I am NOT here to judge anyone. Just sharing, but feeling awfully depressed this morning.
janni2525

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Re: Sell me on the free book giveaway
Posted: Feb 23, 2012 9:01 AM   in response to: dontstopbelievi... in response to: dontstopbelievi...
 
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I had a few books sold. I have two new books out and the experience has been great. I think that when you do promote your work people will remember your name. I rather people remember my name as an author than not know me at all.

Being recognized around the world is a great feeling. I have a few titles now. I'm also doing some other promotions for the books as well online. Have a great day everyone. :-) Norma Padro

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ntt_athr_dp_sr_1?_encoding=UTF8&search-alias=digital-text&field-author=Norma%20Padro
rjpar

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Re: Sell me on the free book giveaway
Posted: Feb 23, 2012 9:08 AM   in response to: myright2write in response to: myright2write
 
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I agree with some of what you say about needing to get your product out there. There is one big difference between a business giving away a product and this site's free promos. The free offers here NEVER END.... Your 5 days may run out but thousands of others with similar products are just beginning. If there was an end in sight , then I would be all for free promos. Is there an end in sight when ALL kindle readers will have to spend money for their downloads??? I don't see it in the near future.
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