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headofwords

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Re: How many people bail, do you think?
Posted: Mar 8, 2012 4:34 AM   in response to: ghostlywanderer in response to: ghostlywanderer
 
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So true. I hear people saying they're going to "publish" now that I have. Good luck to them, but I think it's unlikely. They don't seem to realise just what it takes. These days I'm married and don't get the same amount of free time as I used to but for years I used to come home from work, eat, go upstairs and tap keys for four hours while my housemates sat downstairs, watched TV and drank beer. Every night. And in the first ten years I was doing it I made a sum total of zero. But I kept on, and on, and on. (I've made about $500 from selling short story to magazine now, but it's still pathetic).

It's not something you can just start and be good at in three months. It takes YEARS to get good and writing, and even then most of us are only quite good.

Chris Ward
joshlanyon

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Re: How many people bail, do you think?
Posted: Mar 8, 2012 8:11 AM   in response to: headofwords in response to: headofwords
 
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I read an article in Publisher's Weekly a month or so back where 81% of the people responding to their poll indicated they planned on writing a book within a foreseeable future. And I know for many, many years writing has popped up on those popular-ideas-for-retirement lists.

A lot of people have very unrealistic ideas about both the writing and the publishing process. No wonder they get disappointed and frustrated.
shybaby84

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Re: How many people bail, do you think?
Posted: Mar 8, 2012 9:03 AM   in response to: headofwords in response to: headofwords
 
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I personally am a self published author, I however have always wrote stories but mainly by pen and paper. I lack in grammar and spelling but have people who edit my work for me, even though they are not professional they do have the qualifications in english to A level standard.

I also do not believe I will make millions in fact I don't really want millions I am only hoping that I can make enough to get my book in book format. I also only have one on here at the moment but I am writing another but depending on what reaction I get from my dedicated reviewers who are not close friends of family but random people I have met online will decide if it does make it into the public eye.

I do also fear that many self published book on here have not come with people editing it or even having a few people review it first for them and this may make people like me never get their book read, that is what I really hope for someone to be able to sit down and escape the real world for a little while enjoying what they are reading.

Has for blogging and having a author page as you may possibly tell from my nickname I am quite shy and I do not know where to start. I have a lot to learn and I love learning.

My book is free for the next four days mainly because I want people to read it and hopefully then get a realistic idea for how much to try sell it for to achieve my goal of been published. I would love critical reviews for it as i see if someone has a problem with it then I have something to work with in the future with books I write. Obviously good reviews is what is needed to sell but like I said I'm new to having people read my work and if it needs improving only a reader can tell me this.

My book is free for the next few days hey is the link if anyone fancies having a look and telling me truthfully what they think.

US Link http://www.amazon.com/Deaths-Domain-ebook/dp/B007GFPYOO/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1331220777&sr=8-7

UK Link http://www.amazon.co.uk/Deaths-Domain-ebook/dp/B007GFPYOO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1331226164&sr=8-2

The review on the uk link is from one of my proof readers
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Re: How many people bail, do you think?
Posted: Mar 8, 2012 9:08 AM   in response to: naughtybutnice in response to: naughtybutnice
 
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[i]My problem is I'm always feeling creative, even when I'm doing the laundry. Maybe I should just finish my series and then get to grips with the marketing.[/i]

My books in progress are the first thing I think of when I awaken, and the last thing I'm thinking of as I fall asleep, so I know what you mean. Unfortunately, the marketing is a necessary evil to all authors whether they are trad published or independents. Trad publishers are relying on authors more and more to do their own promotion work, so it's not something you can get away from. :-)
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Re: How many people bail, do you think?
Posted: Mar 8, 2012 9:45 AM   in response to: joshlanyon in response to: joshlanyon
 
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[i]I read an article in Publisher's Weekly a month or so back where 81% of the people responding to their poll indicated they planned on writing a book within a foreseeable future.[/i]

Actually, that's not a new phenomenon. I was seeing the same numbers back in 90's when I began writing. Everybody believes that they have at least one novel in them, but few have ever fulfilled that dream because writing is a lot harder than most people believe. Of the people who actually start writing a book, most never get beyond the first few chapters. Perhaps that's why we see so many short stories being published, and why so many authors are anxious to have their 40,000 word books defined as a 'novel' when the trad publishers define a novel as 90,000 words or more, other than for romance books. Actually, until the 1990's, trad publishers wanted 85,000 words for a romance novel submission.

Writing is a profession, not a weekend sideline like going to garage sales. It's not something you can do well with little or no preparation. As you say, many people have very unrealistic expectations about their chances for success. You must be willing to devote the time necessary to learn the trade and practice it. You don't just plop down at a keyboard, pound out a novel, and wait for the world to beat a path to your door. I think this is why we see so many 99 cents books. Most people seem to believe that if you can't be good, make the product so cheap that people will be willing to buy it for a buck. You can't even get a cup of coffee at Starbucks for less than three bucks.
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Re: How many people bail, do you think?
Posted: Mar 8, 2012 10:07 AM   in response to: headofwords in response to: headofwords
 
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I am awaiting manuscript from my format guy for The Hospice Killer III "Author Forum Justice." Once it is published I am bailing. I have a novel and four novelettes in a SciFi series and a novel, novelette, and a novella in the killer series. I will price them all according to word count and forgetaboutit.. No more checking sales daily and above all no more writing.

It is back to the gym for me. I was a competive power lifter and weight lifter when I was 58. Now at age 71, I need to keep the workouts going just to stay in shape.
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Re: How many people bail, do you think?
Posted: Mar 8, 2012 10:12 AM   in response to: scribblr in response to: scribblr
 
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I get my morning coffee at McDonald's for eighty cents with a senior discount.

Then I set and look directly at San Fransisco Bay from their windows.
authormark

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Re: How many people bail, do you think?
Posted: Mar 8, 2012 10:13 AM   in response to: shybaby84 in response to: shybaby84
 
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I just had a quick look at your preview and the formatting is not great, all bold for first part of chapter, no indents and then huge gaps between paragraphs beyond.

I would try and fix this asap before too many downloads.

Your cover could also do with a much bolder Title and your name disappears into background, could be bigger and another colour perhaps.

You are also a little too honest on your author page. If you've had it proof read and grammer etc sorted I wouldn't mention this as a problem area for you.

Sorry not more positives but I really think you need to sort the formatting asap, you'll get some who will review the formatting rather than the story itself!
shybaby84

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Re: How many people bail, do you think?
Posted: Mar 8, 2012 10:24 AM   in response to: authormark in response to: authormark
 
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What is the best formatting option? I noticed the bold myself when i looked in the look inside but it did change to something else which is strange because in my version it is all the same. I am use to writing on pen and paper not on a laptop so it all feels a little alien to me.

I am afraid I cannot help but been honest it maybe a pit fall for me but it is something I cannot change I am me and sometimes admitting your mistakes or fault make you sound a little more human and sometimes gains respect.

You are hundred percent correct about my cover but it is in a promotion at the moment so i dont think i can change anything until then.
authormark

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Re: How many people bail, do you think?
Posted: Mar 8, 2012 10:32 AM   in response to: shybaby84 in response to: shybaby84
 
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You want an indent at the start of each paragraph and no bold. There shouldn't really be any gaps between the paragraphs. It should be as near to a real book format as possible.

There is a very simple to follow manual on the Smashwords.com site and their uploading tool is very simple and easy to use. It would then allow you to download the Kindle file that they created for you and use that as the upload file on the Amazon KDP site.

As for the cover, whatever you change happens in the background and does not affect what you have already uploaded. The new cover would probably be up in a few hours after you made the change and would not affect your promotion.
shybaby84

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Re: How many people bail, do you think?
Posted: Mar 8, 2012 10:35 AM   in response to: authormark in response to: authormark
 
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Thank you, you have been really helpful. I will get on to it as soon as my daughter gets to bed and I have complete concentration
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Re: How many people bail, do you think?
Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:32 PM   in response to: inyun in response to: inyun
 
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[i]I get my morning coffee at McDonald's for eighty cents with a senior discount.

Then I set and look directly at San Fransisco Bay from their windows.[/i]

I make my own at home and take a mug with me when I go out. :-)

I have to drive twenty minutes to get an ocean view. :-(
thetimucuan

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Re: How many people bail, do you think?
Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:41 PM   in response to: scribblr in response to: scribblr
 
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I don't drink coffee. The nearest beach is an hour's drive. I just stay home and save $$$.

Is this a poll? :)
sargeking

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Re: How many people bail, do you think?
Posted: Mar 8, 2012 1:06 PM   in response to: thetimucuan in response to: thetimucuan
 
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At the moment I'm drinking a cup of Green Tea, sweetened with natural honey. I'm on a health kick. Then again, cocktail hour is approaching. By the way, I hope you don't stand in front of the microwave when you heat up a cup of water. They leak you know. The microwaves I mean.
inyun

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Re: How many people bail, do you think?
Posted: Mar 8, 2012 1:55 PM   in response to: sargeking in response to: sargeking
 
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Not sure if he did or not. I wanted to see if he even knew of the Iranian Special Forces.
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