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frankplatypus

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KF8 Confusion! Help!
Posted: Mar 8, 2012 2:43 PM
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OK - after reading and reading about the new KF8 format I still have no idea what it's all about. Are books uploaded in KF8 ONLY available to Fire owners? Are the books available to all Kindle owners but the fixed formating options will only work on fire?

What I am trying to do is create a childrens picture book in full landscape mode, using images @ 1024x600 - with text laid over top of the pictures. It looks like KF8 will allow me to do this with it's fixed layout formatting, however, what I'm not sure about, is whether or not said book would be available to other Kindle owners...

If my assumption is right, and my 1024x600 full landscape picture book published using KF8 IS ONLY available to Fire users, will it become available to other Kindle owners as well once Amazon rolls out KF8 to older devices....

Also, do other kindles even ALLOW landscape viewing, or do they only work in portrait mode?

And finally, I was planning on using Adobe Indesign with the new Plug-in to make things a little easier, it say's in the .pdf for the Indesign Plug-in that two different file types will be created, does this mean that my fixed formatting will be thrown out the window on all devices without the KF8 software update?

Thanks for your responses, I appreciate the help.
notjohn

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Re: KF8 Confusion! Help!
Posted: Mar 8, 2012 4:32 PM   in response to: frankplatypus in response to: frankplatypus
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You can switch to landscape mode in an e-ink Kindle, but frankly I don't know how to do it, and probably that's true of a majority of owners.

I think it's a mistake to design a book for the Fire. Any book designed for an e-ink Kindle in work in Fire, but the reverse is not true.
frankplatypus

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Re: KF8 Confusion! Help!
Posted: Mar 8, 2012 6:17 PM   in response to: notjohn in response to: notjohn
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Thanks for your response. After more reading it appears that KF8 and fixed layouts only work on the Kindle Fire. The part I am still confused about though is I read in several places Amazon saying "we will be rolling out KF8 support to our latest e-ink devices in the coming months." Does this mean that shortly there will be an update and many of the older Kindles WILL have KF8 support and be able to display a fixed layout book, or does it mean only that future models of Kindle will have this support and functionality?
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Re: KF8 Confusion! Help!
Posted: Mar 8, 2012 7:17 PM   in response to: frankplatypus in response to: frankplatypus
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Yes, fixed layouts only work in Fire.

No, older Kindle readers will not be updated, only the very latest (like Touch) that came out at the same time as Fire.

I would never create a book to be viewed in landscape mode. I know it's frustrating having to keep your images smaller for portrait mode, but it's the only safe way to be sure everyone views your book correctly.
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Re: KF8 Confusion! Help!
Posted: Mar 8, 2012 8:01 PM   in response to: punchygonzales in response to: punchygonzales
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Thank you punchy for your reply, you cleared some things up for me. I guess bottom line I still don't get the point of KF8 than, I have read many times on these forums and other places that a horizontal layout is a bad idea, but, when I look at Amazon's introduction to KF8 they show a childrens book in Landscape mode and tout how great it is. Why release a new Format and not give it broad support on all of the devices?

Also, if I still decide to throw caution to the wind and create my vision (a childrens book in facing page landscape mode) - will Amazon restrict customers from buying it whom don't have the appropriate devices to read it, for instance "You cannot buy this it's for FIRE only!" And secondly, if they do restrict them, will they than make it available to customers when they roll out KF8 for IOS and Kindle Touch?
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Re: KF8 Confusion! Help!
Posted: Mar 9, 2012 3:53 PM   in response to: frankplatypus in response to: frankplatypus
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I don't know for sure about a lot of that. I guess you could try making the book so that it looks good in lanscape mode on as many devices as you can test it on without resorting to fixed layouts, and then state in bold words at the beginning of the book that "THIS BOOK SHOULD BE READ IN LANDSCAPE MODE ON YOUR E-READER!"

I don't know how hard it is to switch to landscape mode on most e-readers, but I can tell you that it's very easy on both my K-3 and my Nook. Maybe people won't mind.
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Re: KF8 Confusion! Help!
Posted: Mar 9, 2012 11:22 PM   in response to: frankplatypus in response to: frankplatypus
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I'm having similiar problems here. I don't understand why there is no propper support from amazon concerning their new format.

I also want fullsize images in landscape mode for a children's book, but they only become fullsize when you doubletap them.

I also want the book to be on the kindle screen in landscape mode only, no option to turn the device and see it in portrait mode.

I have seen picturebooks from big publishers which had all that.

But how can I do that? I am using indesign with the kindleplugin as well. Never fellt so clueless. Getting a Mac and trying ibooks soon. The ibooks market for children's picturebooks is bigger than the kindle's.

Cheers
Maybe someone here knows how to do it.
raggedcover

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Re: KF8 Confusion! Help!
Posted: Mar 10, 2012 1:11 AM   in response to: frankplatypus in response to: frankplatypus
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All epub formats use what is called singular format processing. That means, if you want to use Kindle you must stack your pictures between the text. To do this use the TOC system to position the pictures and prevent large blank spacing.

An alternative is to anchor your picture to the text. For example to appear alongside text. This is easy in Adobe InDesign 5.5 but not easy with earlier versions. Finally you don't know what font size of the book the reader is going to use. To get over this you need to set your picture to size dynamically. Do this in format rasterization under the object export options. Watch the use of this as you need to be sure the early Kindles can support this new format control..

Keith
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Re: KF8 Confusion! Help!
Posted: Mar 10, 2012 9:19 AM   in response to: samthreepwood in response to: samthreepwood
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You won't be able to create fixed-layout content in inDesign using the Kindle plugin. Perhaps it will be updated at some point in the future, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

In order to produce fixed-layout content you will need to manually prepare the appropriate HTML, CSS, and XML files. When creating the OPF file for your fixed-layout publication you'll have the option to designate its orientation as "landscape." Otherwise the publication will default to "portrait" display, and this orientation can not be changed by the reader.

While it's possible, if you're clever with the formatting, to have a fixed-layout book that will also read well on older Kindles that don't support Kindle Format 8, it might not matter. I have yet to see a fixed-layout book that was downloadable from the Kindle Store to anything but Kindle Fire, though I have not yet tested this restriction for titles published through KDP.

If you're interested in producing fixed-layout content you'll want to download the Kindle Publishing Guidelines PDF, Kindle Previewer and KindleGen software, and the "Children's Book" and "Comic" example books from the Kindle Publishing website: http://www.amazon.com/kindlepublishing
fantasycastlebo...

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Re: KF8 Confusion! Help!
Posted: Mar 21, 2012 4:24 PM   in response to: frankplatypus in response to: frankplatypus
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I have recently completed a 2-part tutorial on KF8 fixed layout format that you might find useful. It focuses primarily on the region magnification feature, but covers much of what you're asking about.

I've also included a downloadable template that includes all the main functions of KF8 fixed layout, plus quite a few I've figured out myself. You can use this as the basis for your own project.

The first part can be found here: http://bit.ly/kf8tutorial1
And the second part found here: http://bit.ly/kf8tut2

You might also be interested in reading portions of my 7-part tutorial on creating fixed layout iBooks, since it covers the details of the underlying ePub file structure, much of which applies to KF8.

That can be found here: http://bit.ly/ibooksfltut1

Finally, you can download the complete first chapter of my upcoming illustrated novel project, "The Ring Saga" on the main page of my website, in either KF8 or iBooks format.

Download sample chapter here: http://bit.ly/sSCN1n

Hope that helps, and feel free to post any questions you may have.
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