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Peggy Trotter

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KDP Print or Createspace
Posted: Jan 6, 2017 6:39 PM
 
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Hello. Noob here. I guess I have loaded my book on KDP print. (Is there such a thing? There must be.) I thought I was loading into Createspace. Why are these different accounts and can you tell me which is better? Thanks.
Donna St Felix

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Posted: Jan 6, 2017 6:45 PM   in response to: Peggy Trotter in response to: Peggy Trotter
 
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Peggy Trotter wrote:
Hello. Noob here. I guess I have loaded my book on KDP print. (Is there such a thing? There must be.) I thought I was loading into Createspace. Why are these different accounts and can you tell me which is better? Thanks.

We don't know why the zon is offering the two different options - we can only guess.
CreateSpace is better and gives you more options.
Peggy Trotter

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Posted: Jan 6, 2017 7:00 PM   in response to: Donna St Felix in response to: Donna St Felix
 
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Thank you very much. I feel a little betrayed. I thought I WAS on createspace. Sigh.
DDKimberley

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Posted: Jan 6, 2017 7:22 PM   in response to: Peggy Trotter in response to: Peggy Trotter
 
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If you WENT to CreateSpace-dot-com and did all of your details there, uploaded your book and your cover there, and then clicked yes to publish to Kindle--YES, you created your book with createspace. The two are still connected in that way, CS will navigate you to your bookshelf at KDP to upload your ebook. Your paperback sales will still go through CS.

If you did all the details--got your ISBN, uploaded your interior and your cover, etc--from your KDP bookshelf HERE, then you had to have done so without reading the information they gave you, or you would know you were using KDP Print beta instead of CreateSpace. Because they tell you right up front that they're not the same--and that going with KDP print means you can't change your mind and go to CreateSpace.
Kim Steadman

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Re: KDP Print or Createspace
Posted: Jan 31, 2017 10:52 AM   in response to: Peggy Trotter in response to: Peggy Trotter
 
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Peggy,

As someone in the same shoes as you are, I thought I would give you some insight I have learned. I am also a new Author. I uploaded my book first as a Kindle Book. I knew I wanted to do a paper version one month later. When I saw the option to "print the book" I sort of thought I was being given an option to load to CreateSpace from within KDP rather than having to log onto the CreateSpace account. Even through the process, when it asked about my having not already uploaded to Createspace, I made some assumptions. Shame on me. Here's what I've learned.

By uploading and printing through KDP, you do not have an ability to order Author Copies of the book. You have to order from Amazon, and receive your Royalties.
You receive your Royalties for the print books with KDP to Direct to Print sold 60 days later compared to 30 days with CreateSpace.

The percentages for Royalties is different too.
Createspace,
Sales Channel Percentage
Standard Distribution - Amazon.com 40% of list price
Standard Distribution - Amazon Europe 40% of list price
Standard Distribution - CreateSpace eStore 20% of list price
Expanded Distribution 60% of list price

KDP to Print,
If you select the 70% royalty option, your royalty will be 70% of your list price without VAT, less delivery costs (average delivery costs are $0.06 per unit sold, and vary by file size), for each eligible book sold to customers in the 70% territories listed below, and 35% of the list price for each unit sold to customers residing outside the 70% territories.
https://kdp.amazon.com/help?topicId=A30F3VI2TH1FR8

For me, the biggest issue has been needing Author Copies. It's hard to shell out Retail Price per book to take to a speaking engagement.

I hope that helps you a little bit!

David Kersten

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Posted: Jan 31, 2017 3:03 PM   in response to: Kim Steadman in response to: Kim Steadman
 
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Kim Steadman wrote:

KDP to Print,
If you select the 70% royalty option, your royalty will be 70% of your list price without VAT, less delivery costs (average delivery costs are $0.06 per unit sold, and vary by file size), for each eligible book sold to customers in the 70% territories listed below, and 35% of the list price for each unit sold to customers residing outside the 70% territories.
https://kdp.amazon.com/help?topicId=A30F3VI2TH1FR8
Pretty sure that is for ebooks, not the print books through KDP.
If you look here: Publish Your Paperback on KDP (Beta) you will see where it says you will get 60% of the profit (post printing costs) for selling a paperback book.
Royalties: Earn up to 60% royalties on the list price you set, minus printing costs

Seems to me the downside with KDP for print books is that it is still in beta, and a lot of the tools and options with createspace are not available yet (like getting your own books at cost). The upside (the only upside I can see anyway) is having a single point of reference for sales data.

I sell one paperback to about 500 e-books though, so for me it is not much of an issue. When they retire CS completely, I will switch. I imagine this is a year or two away.
Alex Ryan

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Posted: Jan 31, 2017 5:25 PM   in response to: David Kersten in response to: David Kersten
 
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David Kersten wrote:
Kim Steadman wrote:

KDP to Print,
If you select the 70% royalty option, your royalty will be 70% of your list price without VAT, less delivery costs (average delivery costs are $0.06 per unit sold, and vary by file size), for each eligible book sold to customers in the 70% territories listed below, and 35% of the list price for each unit sold to customers residing outside the 70% territories.
https://kdp.amazon.com/help?topicId=A30F3VI2TH1FR8
Pretty sure that is for ebooks, not the print books through KDP.
If you look here: Publish Your Paperback on KDP (Beta) you will see where it says you will get 60% of the profit (post printing costs) for selling a paperback book.
Royalties: Earn up to 60% royalties on the list price you set, minus printing costs

Seems to me the downside with KDP for print books is that it is still in beta, and a lot of the tools and options with createspace are not available yet (like getting your own books at cost). The upside (the only upside I can see anyway) is having a single point of reference for sales data.

I sell one paperback to about 500 e-books though, so for me it is not much of an issue. When they retire CS completely, I will switch. I imagine this is a year or two away.


Actually, for clarification, the print costs are taken out of your 60% cut, meaning the minimum at which you can price your book is where your 60% royalty equals the printing cost, which means you get nothing. It's kind of deceptive.
newmansouth

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Re: KDP Print or Createspace
Posted: Feb 1, 2017 9:09 AM   in response to: Peggy Trotter in response to: Peggy Trotter
 
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Peggy Trotter wrote:
Hello. Noob here. I guess I have loaded my book on KDP print. (Is there such a thing? There must be.) I thought I was loading into Createspace. Why are these different accounts and can you tell me which is better? Thanks.

Yes, there is such a thing, and you are not lost.
CS is now part of KDP, that's the short answer.

It depends on you.
Some like to stick to CS and some, as myself, love to try and work in one place, with a single login account details.

But as I said, Amazon owns both KDP and CS, so they have decided to bring them into one platform for various reasons.
I hope this helps?

John Monyjok Maluth
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Amy Davis

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Posted: Feb 1, 2017 3:22 PM   in response to: newmansouth in response to: newmansouth
 
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newmansouth wrote:
CS is now part of KDP, that's the short answer.
It's isn't part of KDP, CS is a different platform for creating a printed book than doing it through KDP.
DDKimberley

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Posted: Feb 1, 2017 3:32 PM   in response to: Amy Davis in response to: Amy Davis
 
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Amy Davis wrote:
newmansouth wrote:
CS is now part of KDP, that's the short answer.
It's isn't part of KDP, CS is a different platform for creating a printed book than doing it through KDP.

Except, this year, the 2016 earnings from CreateSpace and KDP were totaled together on a single 1099. I got two separate 1099s last year.
Amy Davis

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Posted: Feb 1, 2017 3:49 PM   in response to: DDKimberley in response to: DDKimberley
 
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I still think it's inaccurate, at this point, to say CS is "Part of" KDP. It makes it sound as if using the "create paperback" button brings you into the same platform, gives you access to the same features ect, as going into CS. Even if things are being consolidated behind the scenes it's currently a different user experience.
DDKimberley

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Posted: Feb 1, 2017 3:57 PM   in response to: Amy Davis in response to: Amy Davis
 
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Amy Davis wrote:
I still think it's inaccurate, at this point, to say CS is "Part of" KDP. It makes it sound as if using the "create paperback" button brings you into the same platform, gives you access to the same features ect, as going into CS. Even if things are being consolidated behind the scenes it's currently a different user experience.

I don't disagree. The interface is definitely different, and I'm perplexed as to why KDP for print isn't making more direct use of the technology and resources already part of the Amazon domain. I found the beta process so unsatisfactory I bailed in the middle of it--and they graciously accepted my decision.

But IN LIGHT of the beta, I found it a bit troubling to see the all-in-one 1099. Doesn't seem to bode well for the business I've come to rely on. If CS gets yanked out from under us, I'll probably just stop publishing paperbacks.
Tomass

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Re: KDP Print or Createspace
Posted: Jul 17, 2017 12:20 AM   in response to: Peggy Trotter in response to: Peggy Trotter
 
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Createspace is your best bet for paperbacks. At least until Amazon decides to add Createspace's benefits to KDP Print.

I wrote an article on this, here's a brief summary of what I found:

Benefits of Createspace:

  • Possible to order physical proof copies (not possible with KDP Print)
  • Possible to order wholesale author copies (not possible with KDP Print)
  • More favourable from a print standpoint
  • Expanded distribution possible (not possible with KDP Print)
  • 2x faster payout time - 30 days, instead of 60
  • Phone support available
  • Higher royalty in the European market (.de) for b&w books with a page count less than 110 pages
  • Allows for diversification between publishing companies


Benefits of KDP Print:

  • Easier, faster and more convenient to set up a paperback
  • Make changes to your paperback without losing royalties and slipping in rankings
  • Accounting and reporting benefits
  • Access to Amazon's japan market

If you want to learn about all of this in more detail feel free to have a look - KDP Print vs Createspace - An In-depth Look Into KDP Print and the Future of POD Publishing

(Towards the end of the article, I also go into some possible future scenarios for these 2 POD companies)
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