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Dlo Van

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Formatting error and size problem
Posted: Jan 10, 2017 3:18 AM
 
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Peace!

So I tried uploading my book with a fake cover image. I uploaded a fixed epub. file.
The epub on my computer is 1.5 mb.
Converting it to mobi. on my computer works fine on the offline Kindle previewer program, on all three devices. Though the size becomes 9mb.

Anyhow, when I used the online Kindle Previewer, something went wrong with the text; the words meshed together.

Also, the delivery fee became a total of $3, so the file must have been 20mb ! WHAT? I don't have a single image in the book!! And it's only 150 pages long, plain text!

I used InDesign to export the epub, and the font is Baskerville Old Face.

HELP!
Dlo Van

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Re: Formatting error and size problem
Posted: Jan 10, 2017 4:52 AM   in response to: Dlo Van in response to: Dlo Van
 
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Update:

I changed the font to Georgia, and it fixed the words meshing together and over each other.

But the size problem still remains.

Do you think if I save the fixed epub from InDesign, and in the settings I decrease dpi to 72 from 150 and quality from high to medium, will it help?
cdalebrittain

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Re: Formatting error and size problem
Posted: Jan 10, 2017 6:58 AM   in response to: Dlo Van in response to: Dlo Van
 
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Does your book have to be fixed format? From what you say, you don't have a lot of illustrations that have to be arranged in a certain way (as in a children's picture book or a text book). You'd do better just letting the text flow. InDesign sounds like you want the book to appear a certain way, which will mean it won't appear at all on all devices. Readers with Kindles like to be able to adjust font, size, etc.

My guess is that your book is being uploaded as all-images, because of the fixed-format. This is why it's so big.

Go back to your original text (I assume in Word). Without any formatting (other than minimal use of Styles to center headers and indent first lines of paragraphs), try uploading the Word file itself and see if that works better.
Dlo Van

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Re: Formatting error and size problem
Posted: Jan 10, 2017 7:22 AM   in response to: cdalebrittain in response to: cdalebrittain
 
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The problem is that I used InDesign so I can color the background. It's simple style; text over color. I would have used Word, but then I would have to remove the colors, which is important. Zero pictures, but background is colored.

What about calibre, I heard it can reduce size?

Also, I don't know which is better, fixed or normal...I saw youtube video and the guy recommended fixed. Which would you recommend?

Edited by: Dlo Van on Jan 10, 2017 7:22 AM

Edited by: Dlo Van on Jan 10, 2017 7:24 AM
Dlo Van

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Re: Formatting error and size problem
Posted: Jan 10, 2017 8:25 AM   in response to: Dlo Van in response to: Dlo Van
 
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Update:

Tried reflowable when saving.

The epub file decreased from 1.5mb to 128kb
and mobi from 9mb to 0.4 mb

But the design is soooo ugly
cdalebrittain

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Re: Formatting error and size problem
Posted: Jan 10, 2017 3:45 PM   in response to: Dlo Van in response to: Dlo Van
 
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Do not use fixed format if your book is all text. Think about all the devices on which you hope your book will be read, a phone, a Kindle, a tablet, a laptop, a big desktop computer. Now imagine the pages that you carefully created in ID being shrunk or stretched to fill those screens. It would look silly on a big screen and would be totally illegible on a phone.

Have you read an ebook? I recommend buying one just to see how they are supposed to look.

Ebooks should flow. Thus there would only be a couple sentences displayed at a time on a phone, but most of a chapter on a big computer screen. Readers can also change reflowable text so that it displays in their favorite color or font, or is a bigger size if their eyesight is bad.

Readers can even choose the background color. If you try to force your text into a preset page arrangement, with a background color, you are going to be stuck with a huge delivery cost, which means throwing away royalties. Calibre would have only a minimal effect. Plus about half the potential buyers will get the message that the book cannot be purchased for their devices. More royalties thrown away.

As I said before, try going back to the pre-ID version of your book and uploading straight text. If your book really takes off, you can consider a "director's cut" edition with background color. But if you're just trying to get noticed with your first book, make it as normal as possible.

PS Don't believe guys in YouTube videos. Listen to those who have published many ebooks. And if you want a professional's opinion, look on this forum for postings by Hitch of booknook dot biz. She's got a link to her website where you can ask her about your vision for your book. She's best in the business for formatting.
William Thompson

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Re: Formatting error and size problem
Posted: Jan 10, 2017 4:00 PM   in response to: Dlo Van in response to: Dlo Van
 
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To create a background color for every page in your ebook is easy enough to do in HTML(as an epub), but you wont be able to do it in Word. in html, all you have do is add the following to get a light blue page color on every page of your ebook:

Put this at the very bottom of your stylesheet:
body {
background-color: ccffff;
}

You should also be able to do this in Adobe InDesign -- use page color, not background color for text.

I must also add that Kindle frowns upon reflowable ebooks(not fixed layout) that have non-standard formatting. By standard formatting I mean black print on a white page. You should seriously consider this. After all, even if you have successfully created and uploaded a colored background for for every page in your reflowable ebook, it would indeed be catastrophic after publication if Kindle then emailed you to ask you to change your page background to white or your ebook would be removed from publication. The reason for Kindle's objection is because most Kindle devices allow the Kindle device user to change the ebook page color to sepia or black or white for reflowable ebooks and, unfortunately, your page color would interfere with this capability.

So, as I see it, if you insist on colored pages for your ebook then I'm afraid that you seem to have no other option but to take the expensive file size hit in fixed layout in order to get your colored page background.

Your easiest route with Fixed Layout would be to use Kindle Text Book Creator(kcb) or Kindle Kid's Book Creator(mobi). And be sure to compress all images or pdfs for file size economy before your create you fixed layout ebook in these apps.

Why not try my free Sigil plugin?

Now available for download from MobileRead.

OpenDocHTMLImport

Directly converts an OpenDoc HTML(Writer) document to epub format.

Preserves all layout and formatting after conversion - and does much more!

aliyma

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Re: Formatting error and size problem
Posted: Jan 11, 2017 12:32 PM   in response to: Dlo Van in response to: Dlo Van
 
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I just submitted my book, no pictures 99 pages in paperback form. I expected it would be longer but its 236 pages! although its only poetry and its like six sentences per page; I feel that will freak some potential buyers out lol. This is crazy
Notjohn

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Re: Formatting error and size problem
Posted: Jan 11, 2017 1:21 PM   in response to: Dlo Van in response to: Dlo Van
 
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As C Dale says:

Do not use fixed format if your book is all text.

Evidently reflowable solves your sizing problem. But note that you really didn't have a problem: 1.5 MB is easily within the profitable range. And it will probably be smaller when Amazon sells it. The 9 MB "mobi" that you see is no doubt the downloaded book file from the KDP conversion. It contains at least two complete books and probably three.

There used to be a final size on the pricing page as you went through the publishing process, but in the new interface (three tabs) it is no longer there. That size, which I found to be quite accurate, was always smaller than the size shown on the store page (and the store page in turn was much smaller than the downloaded "mobi").

But the design is soooo ugly

Because you called for a "tinted" background? There is a way to do that, but consider the effect in an e-ink Kindle (the majority), which is grayscale.

Good luck! -- NJ
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