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scleeposts

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Anyone think this is pointless? (Writing.)
Posted: Jun 7, 2012 6:54 PM
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When I had one book on Amazon people used to say add more books to sell more. Now I have two novels and three shorts, very good reviews apart from one which is constructive. Anyway, no sales this month, four last month.

I have facebook and twitter. Neither are very helpful, I find that the more you post about your books the less likely people are to listen. Like an annoying cold caller at tea time.

The problem is the books get lost in the crowd. I read a statistic the other day that most (and by most I mean nearly all) Indie writers make less than $500 a year - that's very poor.

So without meaning to start trouble, is it worth the effort? I'm starting to have my doubts.
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Posted: Jun 7, 2012 6:59 PM   in response to: scleeposts in response to: scleeposts
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I feel the same way you do. I mean I only have one book on here and it only sold 4 copies and those were from friends. I post about my book on here and Facebook/Twitter and nothing. Then I lower the price hoping it would help to get sales and it did nothing at all. So I am not making money off my books. I dont care much about the money because I didnt pay to write the books I care more about it going up in the rankings and actually having people read my books. Sometimes I wonder too. I am working on a 8 book teen drama and I would hate for it to fail.
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Posted: Jun 7, 2012 7:03 PM   in response to: tony5110 in response to: tony5110
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Yeah, it sucks Tony, it takes me between three months to a year to write something.

They say you shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you. But I think Amazon only care about shifting Kindles, and the incentive to buy one is [b]free books[/b].

Most of us will sell very little as more and more books are being published every day. It will be a long time before we see another Amanda Hocking (if at all.)

I may withdraw from the race.
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Posted: Jun 7, 2012 7:03 PM   in response to: scleeposts in response to: scleeposts
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IMO add books to sell more. I will say that as an indie author who first published in June of 2011, I make [i]more than[/i] $500 [i]per month[/i].

I don't know where that statistic came from, or what it was based on. But I do know that I am not the only one here making money each month, in fact there are dozens who make a ton more than me, unless everyone here is a liar which I doubt.
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Posted: Jun 7, 2012 7:04 PM   in response to: 29emma in response to: 29emma
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It came from an article in an English newspaper. They must have done the research so I'd say you're doing pretty well compared to most of us.
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Posted: Jun 7, 2012 7:05 PM   in response to: scleeposts in response to: scleeposts
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Not every book sells. Even if you market your heart out, not every book sells. Some aren't in popular genres, or are in overcrowded genres. Some simply aren't very good. History is stuffed with examples of writers--good writers--whose books didn't sell at first. Sometimes not even while they were still alive.

Write if you love to write. Then polish your story and your language till it shines. Then hope. If you can't do those first two things, though, don't do the third.

Different people find "worth" in different ways. If you want easy money, writing might not be the right path for you. It's a ton of work to do it well, and there's luck involved as well. It's not a get-rich-quick scheme.

Those who love it, and are good writers, and who put out a professional product that still doesn't sell, for whatever reason, those people have other jobs, and write for the love of it.
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Posted: Jun 7, 2012 7:05 PM   in response to: 29emma in response to: 29emma
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How are you making so much money a month? I wish I was making that. It seems to me no one wants to invest in someone who isnt well known in the business of being a author. It sucks cause we all here trying to make it big I feel a lot of people dont support each other...
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Posted: Jun 7, 2012 7:07 PM   in response to: 1001nightspress in response to: 1001nightspress
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I have a question do you guys think that a teen drama in the Young Adult category is a smart move?
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Posted: Jun 7, 2012 7:10 PM   in response to: tony5110 in response to: tony5110
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Not if it's a "move."

Is it something you feel passionate about writing? Do you read a lot of YA literature now? Do you know what sells and what doesn't, and do you have your own theories about why? How have you researched the YA market? Have you taken any writing workshops or classes?
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Posted: Jun 7, 2012 7:11 PM   in response to: tony5110 in response to: tony5110
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Tony there are simply too many people who want to do it. All of those people who were turned down by agents / publishers have somewhere to go.

I think many of us (including myself) have unrealistic ideas of being the next J.K. / King etc... and it takes a very determined person to keep putting in the hours when they're getting little back (in terms of sales, reviews.)

We write, market, create the e-book / paperback. Some of us on several different sites. That's a lot of work for ...four sales. Btw, I'm talking about myself, I'm in the same boat as you.

To be honest, although good and much, much better than me $500 a month isn't great. You can get $2000 a month for working in a factory.
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Posted: Jun 7, 2012 7:12 PM   in response to: 1001nightspress in response to: 1001nightspress
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I love writing teen dramas and thrillers. I never took classes but I love to read Young Adult books even as a grown adult. I gravitate towards young adult books so its mostly all I read. I grew up with teen drama shows as well and that is what I am going for with my book "Sec4rets" They love to read about drama and that is what my book has. I just wonder if they sell
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Posted: Jun 7, 2012 7:15 PM   in response to: tony5110 in response to: tony5110
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@Tony5110

I have no idea, honestly. Apparently I write well enough in a small enough niche that I'm selling well. I will say I have books priced between $0.99 and $3.99. I have never done any marketing, not a single thing, not one time.
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Posted: Jun 7, 2012 7:16 PM   in response to: scleeposts in response to: scleeposts
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scleeposts it does suck because we put our hard work into something that we feel is great and it never sees sales and that is crazy. I been working on my teen drama for almost a year now and it is almost done and I am excited but also nervous at the same time. I want it to become a hit because it is my baby and I feel it's worth buying. I just hope that it does good and I hope that you do another book and you sale and never give up on writing. What is your author name so I can see the books you have out.
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Posted: Jun 7, 2012 7:16 PM   in response to: scleeposts in response to: scleeposts
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Maybe it isn't worth the effort for you. Does it entertain and excite you to write? If not, then stop doing it.

Does the business aspect of self-pub bring you something positive in your life or does it just frustrate you? If it annoys you, then get a traditional publisher or a small indie press to take you on and walk away from the details of pricing and marketing and all. Just collect your 10% royalties and go about your life.

If it doesn't make you happy, there are certainly easier ways to earn a buck. Minimum wage at a flower shop is probably more payoff for each hour spent.

If, however, writing and self-pubbing is something you want to do, then buckle down and do it. Work out a 5 year marketing and business plan. Figure out who your specific customer is and all the ways you can reach them without being annoying. Then start doing that.
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Posted: Jun 7, 2012 7:16 PM   in response to: tony5110 in response to: tony5110
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Reading and loving your genre is a great start.

Once you have a rough draft, make sure you spend some time in critique groups (with people who aren't afraid to tell you where the problems are--if all you hear is "Wow, that's great!", then you need a new group).

After you have your content nailed down--a few drafts of revisions, I mean--then hire a good editor. Get a professional-looking cover, and hope. Will your books sell? No one knows. They certainly won't sell if they are not well-written, perfectly formatted, and professionally edited, however you make those things happen. But even if you do have all that, there are no guarantees.

Get Stephen King's book "On Writing." Sometimes when people say they want to be "the next King," they seem to have forgotten how hard he struggled and how many YEARS he worked and worked and worked to polish his writing. He was not a "get rich quick" author.
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