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NEZIH TAVLAS

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Is self publishing a suicide?
Posted: Feb 25, 2017 10:32 AM
 
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grandmaster

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Re: Your Views Are Highly Appreciated
Posted: Feb 26, 2017 5:28 AM   in response to: NEZIH TAVLAS in response to: NEZIH TAVLAS
 
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We're not your customers here, and it's against forum rules to post expecting us to be so. What you might get at best is a critique of your book and sales page, but actual reviews left? No.
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Re: Your Views Are Highly Appreciated
Posted: Feb 26, 2017 7:11 AM   in response to: grandmaster in response to: grandmaster
 
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james

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Re: Your Views Are Highly Appreciated
Posted: Feb 27, 2017 5:08 PM   in response to: NEZIH TAVLAS in response to: NEZIH TAVLAS
 
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Right off the bat, your book is ranked at almost a million, meaning that since it came out two weeks ago, it might have sold a few copies at best, and yet it has eight glowing reviews. Some of the reviewers actually admit to knowing the author, and others have only reviewed one book on zon, the OP's.
Clearly, the eight reviews are all fake. Soon enough, if zon spots them, it will take them down.
If I were you I would not bring attention to this book.
In the first place, memoirs by an unknown author is one of the absolute worst selling genres on zon. This book therefore cannot sell, and you have the sales figures to prove it.
No amount of fake reviews will make this book sell. You have to write what readers are buying from newbie indies
NEZIH TAVLAS

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Re: Your Views Are Highly Appreciated
Posted: Feb 27, 2017 8:16 PM   in response to: james in response to: james
 
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Ralph E Vaughan

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Re: Is self publishing a suicide?
Posted: Feb 27, 2017 9:53 PM   in response to: NEZIH TAVLAS in response to: NEZIH TAVLAS
 
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It's not a suicide, but it is a leap of faith.
grandmaster

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Re: Your Views Are Highly Appreciated
Posted: Feb 28, 2017 6:51 AM   in response to: NEZIH TAVLAS in response to: NEZIH TAVLAS
 
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NEZIH TAVLAS wrote:
Thanks for your kind attention but I am not asking you to buy my book, just your views if you have...

And yet, that's how the post came off, as if you were asking us to buy and review. Words have meanings.

Now since you've changed the subject to something equally ridiculous, no, being self-published is not suicide. What kind of a notion is that? If you mean, is it not the easy road to fame and riches you thought it would be, then yes. If you listen to those with a bias, like trad pub and those who depend on it continuing as usual, it would seem to be a career ender. It's not.

Most of us who've been around for a while don't look at articles like this, for many reasons. One is that bias, as I said. Another is that being on some best seller list is not necessary to make a good living as a writer, if one bothers to learn how being indie works. There are many indies making fair to outstanding money, with never a best seller from their keyboard.

The thing is, people aren't just going to plop down money for any old thing you think you can make a fortune off of. Memoirs, poetry, rants on religion, science, politics or the like, self-help books without something valuable to share, short stories, erotica that doesn't hit any kinks, and poorly written works by non-English speakers who can or won't find an outstanding editor are pretty much not worth doing. Do some people make a little money from these -- and other things -- on occasion? Sure. But they aren't making a living off it, that is for sure. Not hitting any best seller lists, either.

Self-publishing is not the get rich quick scheme you're looking for. It hard, often heartbreaking work being a writer, and then add the business side of it, and you're looking at a task that will likely take years to find any success in, it you find it at all. Write if you can't stop. Learn to publish effectively, or just share on a blog or something.
NEZIH TAVLAS

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Re: Your Views Are Highly Appreciated
Posted: Feb 28, 2017 7:09 AM   in response to: grandmaster in response to: grandmaster
 
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Ralph E Vaughan

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Re: Your Views Are Highly Appreciated
Posted: Feb 28, 2017 7:24 AM   in response to: NEZIH TAVLAS in response to: NEZIH TAVLAS
 
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NEZIH TAVLAS wrote:
You mean if we are non-English speakers we have no chance, good to hear that.
Actually you are right; Americans are the only nation in the world never mind the others...

No. But if you use your language background as an excuse for bad writing, you will surely fail ... as would I were I to try to write in a language not my own. That is why good translators come at a premium. Readers, in any language, don't accept excuses and they don't give a hoot where you come from or how hard you've studied.

BTW, hatred does you more harm than others, though it does seem to have become the soup during jour for these waning days.
NEZIH TAVLAS

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Re: Your Views Are Highly Appreciated
Posted: Feb 28, 2017 7:41 AM   in response to: Ralph E Vaughan in response to: Ralph E Vaughan
 
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Guys, grandmaster, james, Ralph E Vaughan, what's your problem ?
Why are you so angry like that...
Adam Harkus

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Re: Is self publishing a suicide?
Posted: Feb 28, 2017 9:06 AM   in response to: NEZIH TAVLAS in response to: NEZIH TAVLAS
 
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Suicide is a bit strong isn't it?

I say 30% is a pretty good proportion considering we are going up against the big guns.

I've just released my first ever book. I've made £20 in a month.....

What's to grumble about?
NEZIH TAVLAS

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Re: Is self publishing a suicide?
Posted: Feb 28, 2017 9:16 AM   in response to: Adam Harkus in response to: Adam Harkus
 
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Ask the others please, I just asked an innocent question and then they mercilessly attacked...
tommy london

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Re: Is self publishing a suicide?
Posted: Feb 28, 2017 10:02 AM   in response to: NEZIH TAVLAS in response to: NEZIH TAVLAS
 
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I have read that last post with interest. James is out of line. I should know. In the first place, if taken literally, did this new person actually
sell one million books? It is possible he did. If so, why did he then claim to make small amounts of money. His questions were okay.
This whole field is subjective. By becoming an author, one can incur the risk of attracting attention. That may be negative by result.
Speaking in a foreign language is not any real problem, since anyone using Amazon.com must be bilingual. They may want to read
some book in their own language, but need to negotiate with the employees of an American company in English, period. That is
not prejudice, but common logic. (And don't tell me to shut up.) You may have to order books in English. That covers banking, too.
That is easy to solve. But anyway, this new person was not breaking any rules by promoting himself. He wrote his blogs in English.
Yet his books are probably in some language I have no knowledge of. That means he can still reach out to millions of readers out
there, emotionally, which for fiction is what counts. Or any genre. That will eventually make him lots of money.

Providing of course, that this new war is not an issue. Is it heating up or not? I mean, if few of us want to spend time reading while
some kind of mass violence is going on, let me know. If you find something offensive in some of our books, let me know. We were
becoming more objective of late. I think the issue is still money.
tommy london

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Re: Is self publishing a suicide?
Posted: Feb 28, 2017 10:10 AM   in response to: tommy london in response to: tommy london
 
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From now on, keep your comments to a bare minimum of relevancy. I can do this. What do you think? Is it just a few computers playing "games" with
each other? Like chess, maybe? TENSION SEEMS TO BE ESCALATING. (You can see my speed is below
25 words per minute.) There is no use pandering to modern materialism. What book is that last comment from? The story is really hard to tell in a convincing manner.
Are the special effects good? We tried an apparently innocent chatroom in 1998, but ended up the center of some strange attention.
Just tell me if speeches are "canned" and if it's only some glitch. Or my lack of judgement? I keep noticing absurdist reactionary activist morons
on the tube. Do we?
tommy london

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Re: Is self publishing a suicide?
Posted: Feb 28, 2017 10:22 AM   in response to: tommy london in response to: tommy london
 
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Boys and girls. Well, I may be dipped in... yet. (That was a joke.) I noticed that my books no longer have ads in Bookshelf. Then, if we go into the individual ads
themselves, we can see that "Look Inside" has been removed. Well, I figured that maybe some wierd person was offended by my book covers. But, using
logic, I guess that at random some readers can just look into the first chapter, then they can get the point of any book, if they have any brains at all. That is
a trick some kids learn at ten. If not sooner. That way, they save time going thru nerdy, verbose, pedantic tomes of over 300 pages. Is this not called a short
attention span? Eureka we say! So now, these evil beings no longer can cheat. So now maybe we can earn more money. So this company does change
policy to serve us better. But, hey, you already know that.

I did not notice this until February 28 of 2017. Too bad I cannot check my Formatting on my book like a true geek. My heart grows fonder.
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