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sbin59

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Re: Erotica is a talentless genre.
Posted: Jun 18, 2012 10:42 PM   in response to: inyun in response to: inyun
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I don't know what the OP writes but I am never afraid of anyone looking at my books and giving me an honest opinion of my writing. I'm not afraid to take criticism and if there are flaws in my writing (which I'm sure there are, btw because there is always room for improvement) I am glad to have them pointed out to me so that I can grow as a writer and become better in my work. I believe this is the difference between talent and the lack thereof. Talented writers evolve. They get better with experience and they aren't afraid of the truth.
1001nightspress

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Re: Erotica is a talentless genre.
Posted: Jun 18, 2012 10:43 PM   in response to: inyun in response to: inyun
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Well, I am not a USF professor.

On the other hand... i have [i]taught[/i] USF professors...

However, as an erotica writer myself, I guess I wouldn't be an impartial judge. ;)
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Re: Erotica is a talentless genre.
Posted: Jun 18, 2012 10:43 PM   in response to: sbin59 in response to: sbin59
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Well judging from the OP previous postings that I posted above it is clear OP has anger issues. Probably dropped this bomb and will not check it for a few days. One step up from a troll.

Turning in.

Thom
sbin59

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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 10:56 PM   in response to: inyun in response to: inyun
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My erotic novella has a theme centered around renewable energy and briefly describes a binary cycle power plant. If that's not sexy, I don't know what is! ;)
robethpublishin...

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Re: Erotica is a talentless genre.
Posted: Jun 18, 2012 11:13 PM   in response to: inyun in response to: inyun
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vlgallas

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Re: Erotica is a talentless genre.
Posted: Jun 18, 2012 11:28 PM   in response to: inyun in response to: inyun
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Read this author (andresanthomas) and then tell me
she has no talent. I really do not like to read
erotica but she can write.

Thom


@Thom

That was exactly my thought when I read the OP's statement. There is also Shar Azade with 1001 Nights Press - all that they publish is quality work. I am sure that there are more writers of erotica that stand out from the crowd.

@the OP

Admittedly, some so-called erotica is total dreck, but I think this goes for any genre published.

vlgallas

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Re: Erotica is a talentless genre.
Posted: Jun 18, 2012 11:31 PM   in response to: inyun in response to: inyun
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DISCUSS: Was s/he unloved as a child?

+1 if we had such a feature here...
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Re: Erotica is a talentless genre.
Posted: Jun 18, 2012 11:34 PM   in response to: reuben88 in response to: reuben88
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reuben88, you tease.

I enjoy reading erotica, and some of it is, to me, rubbish, but some of it presses all of my buttons, hardly talentless stuff.

Now I also write erotica, though on Amazon have yet to sell any. Initially I spent 5 years writing a non fiction book, then some more years writing more. I spent several years writing my first novel, and then its sequel. After that I decided to move into erotica, and my erotica does include a lot of sex, as I write to what I like to read myself, but there is a lot of human emotion, life challenges and life lessons in there. My erotica is all about romance and the heartache that can come with it, along with its beauty. And how life can teach us lessons through human relationships and living life, if one can learn to see them.

Now I may indeed be a completely talentless writer but if so it is because I am talentless at writing erotica (or anything :) ) not because erotica is talentless.

http://stewartedwardssloggingscotsman.blogspot.co.uk/

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vlgallas

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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 11:36 PM   in response to: robethpublishin... in response to: robethpublishin...
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He used to be a pot stirrer over on .com and has been known to post really negative reviews.
anncalico

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Re: Erotica is a talentless genre.
Posted: Jun 19, 2012 2:53 AM   in response to: reuben88 in response to: reuben88
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I disagree. It took me over three weeks to get a single intimate scene just right, you know, fast breathing but no excess body fluids, so it will probably take me a good 30 years to do a whole novel on the topic.

Decent erotica authors have my respect and there really is quite a few talented ones out there once you've worked yourself through the sickening pile of slush. It's the genre that gets the most underground support (I mean even my granny enjoys a good naughty novel), it's the genre that endures the most criticism and it's the genre that, as mentioned above, probably has the most interesting uhm, research. :D That's why I would say that being a good erotica writer takes a thicker that thick skin and a lot of talent.
writeranne

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Re: Erotica is a talentless genre.
Posted: Jun 19, 2012 4:27 AM   in response to: reuben88 in response to: reuben88
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That is not my thought, that is fact. Discuss.>

I'm sure we all would like to see the link to this well-researched fact you have quoted. Or is it only in your head?

Some people think that their opinion=fact.
davidwaine1

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Re: Erotica is a talentless genre.
Posted: Jun 19, 2012 4:36 AM   in response to: reuben88 in response to: reuben88
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It is an easy genre for the bad writer to adopt. Anybody can string together a few racy scenes. That doesn't mean that all erotica is bad, though. Why should it be? It is a genre as much as any other and it is probably harder to produce a good erotic book than some other types, given the restrictive nature of the subject matter. Were Henry Miller and Anais Nin bad writers? I don't think so. How about D. H. Lawrence?

I suppose the crux of the issue is where you draw the line between erotica and pornography - and that has been debated frequently in these forums.
reneestar

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Re: Erotica is a talentless genre.
Posted: Jun 19, 2012 5:04 AM   in response to: reuben88 in response to: reuben88
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Ridiculous. Not my genre, BUT....talent can and is found everywhere. Okay---I will say that I have read very little of erotica, but I know how difficult it is for me to write a really good sex scene. So----I take my hat off or maybe I should say, lay my pen down to anyone that can accomplish this and do it well and to do it well is an art as with ANY form of writing.
kubecki

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Re: Erotica is a talentless genre.
Posted: Jun 19, 2012 5:05 AM   in response to: reuben88 in response to: reuben88
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Erotica has more than it's fair share of junk on Kindle, but it's a huge market and that market would not have lasted as long as it has if there were not many satisfied customers.

As for whether it requires real talent, I think that most definitely depends on the sub-genre. I effectively write pornography, there isn't much romance in my stuff.

I've conversed with dozens of avid readers who bemoan the lack of great romance stuff on Kindle however, which suggests to me that there is a lot of talent involved in creating it, there is just a lack of talent around writing it.

Or, perhaps more likely, the many poor quality erotic books flooding the market are drowning out the higher quality stuff.

Anybody who sees one of my book listings will be left in absolutely no doubt that they are not buying 'romance', but are in fact buying 'porn'.

My erotica doesn't get many returns. In fact, four of my latest five releases have not a single return this month, the other has had a couple. I'd estimate that those five books have sold about 250 between them in June,

So my dirty books are seeing a return rate of less than 0.5%.

I may write in an easy genre, but if my customers are satisfied with my product then I'm happy to supply them.

I'd disagree that there is a lack of talent in great erotica though.... it requires the same amount of talent as any other form of fiction depending on sub-genre. There is werewolf erotica, zombie erotica, etc.

There are numerous erotic books in the top 1000 with dozens of five star reviews.

Maybe you should give it a go?
potatoandbeans

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Re: Erotica is a talentless genre.
Posted: Jun 19, 2012 8:07 AM   in response to: reuben88 in response to: reuben88
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I would jump with joy if I could write erotica, buddy. But I guess it has more to do with my repressed sexuality. Growing up in an Amish community tends to do that to you. But I didn't grow up in an Amish community, so it must be something else then.

Anyway, there's talent in that genre alright, whether you like it or not.
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